220vac(230/240/250v?) breaker & receptacle questions

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Re: 220vac(230/240/250v?) breaker & receptacle questions

Postby Dale M. » Thu Dec 05, 2013 10:32 am

working on it wrote:
H.A. wrote:To split hairs,
The receptacle on the right is a NEMA 6-15R.
NEMA 6-30R is substantially larger and wont fit within a singlegang box.

As others stated, You need to verify the circuit feeding your garage panel is large enough to supply your new welder, PLUS whatever existing loads, lighting, appliances, etc.
It appears you have a 100amp Square-D Loadcenter, However, does not mean it is supplied by a 100amp circuit.

I forgot to acknowledge that H.A. was right, the receptacle was a 6-15R. Since I was home today, I did some more (closer) checking of the main panels and the cable/wiring leading to them. I pried and separated (very carefully) the 'tied, buried, wrapped' input wiring to the outdoor main from the output wiring to the shed and garage sub-panels. At closer inspection, I found I was wrong about the previous owner using 12ga indoor Romex going underground to those two panels. I found 8/2 cable instead. That's 8ga! The ampacity is good for 40 amps to both areas. The wire run to the shed panel is 75 feet to its 30amp breaker, and 30-32 feet to the garage panel with its 40amp breaker. After that point, the wire is only 12ga to the receptacles. Using this calculator http://www.csgnetwork.com/wiresizecalc.html, it shows that I could "get by" with only 12ga wiring (at the reduced output setting I set the welder to). If correct, I could go ahead and change one receptacle to 6-50R, and test the stick welder to the reduced setting. At worst case, the sub-panel breaker would trip (I will also check the fully-exposed 12ga wiring for elevated temperature as well). I still will have the electrician cousin consult, and check, and possibly re-wire the whole thing soon. I won't "use" the 220v welder till then, just the one "trip" test. I'll get the small 110v flux welder if I just can't wait.


I hope that was 8/2 with ground?

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Re: 220vac(230/240/250v?) breaker & receptacle questions

Postby working on it » Thu Dec 05, 2013 1:28 pm

Yes it is. I see that listings for the 4 wire (red, white, black, bare copper wires) are 8/3; and the 2 wire cable (white, black, bare copper wires) are listed as 8/2. That is what I found. Maybe the naming convention is a bit misleading, since I find the same part # on cables on E-bay listed as either.
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Re: 220vac(230/240/250v?) breaker & receptacle questions

Postby suzulight » Wed Feb 26, 2014 5:31 pm

working on it wrote:Yes it is. I see that listings for the 4 wire (red, white, black, bare copper wires) are 8/3; and the 2 wire cable (white, black, bare copper wires) are listed as 8/2. That is what I found. Maybe the naming convention is a bit misleading, since I find the same part # on cables on E-bay listed as either.

The ground is never considered as a conductor; the 4 wire you cite is in fact 8/3 G (or various other gauges)
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Re: 220vac(230/240/250v?) breaker & receptacle questions

Postby Shadow Catcher » Wed Feb 26, 2014 8:31 pm

I can sympathize, about five years ago I went into one of the local electrical supply houses to find replacement circuit breakers and ask for a couple of 20A for a Federal Pacific panel. The gentleman behindhand the counter said Oh a Fire Pacific, those are great for welders they never trip. I then found out they are no longer available and I subsequently found they had been recalled 20+years ago.
A friend of mine helped me pull the 100A panel and replace it from the line from the pole with a 200A with cut out switch for a back up generator.
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Re: 220vac(230/240/250v?) breaker & receptacle questions

Postby working on it » Fri Feb 28, 2014 12:52 pm

I am still waiting for my wife's cousin to do my rewiring. I'm not qualified to do it myself, and my wife continually points that out.
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