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Cell phone discussion

Postby Wrecit » Sat Nov 11, 2023 1:05 pm

Been reading some of the threads about poor cellphone reception inside of enclosed trailers and got to thinking. Is part of the issue because people are using standard 12v practice and lugging the negative from lights, etc to the closest metal structural element and creating a sort of faraday cage?

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Re: Cell phone discussion

Postby RJ Howell » Sat Nov 11, 2023 1:50 pm

This would be assuming those built with steel frames or skinning. If I was waiting for paint to dry, I might dig deeper into this, but I'm not.. LOL

I find the issue comes from where we camp, as not so much as being inside.. Then comes the carrier's and coverage..

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Re: Cell phone discussion

Postby tony.latham » Sat Nov 11, 2023 3:37 pm

...people are using standard 12v practice and lugging the negative from lights, etc to the closest metal structural element and creating a sort of faraday cage?


A Faraday cage doesn't need to be grounded. It's just a metal box. I've never grounded my house battery to the frame.

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Re: Cell phone discussion

Postby Tom&Shelly » Sat Nov 11, 2023 4:21 pm

tony.latham wrote:
...people are using standard 12v practice and lugging the negative from lights, etc to the closest metal structural element and creating a sort of faraday cage?


A Faraday cage doesn't need to be grounded. It's just a metal box. I've never grounded my house battery to the frame.

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Yes, what Tony says.

It's an interesting idea, but the cell phone signal is a radio wave and can't penetrate an enclosed metal box very well. Doesn't matter what DC voltage the box is at.

To dig more in depth (than it's worth?) windows are several wavelengths long at cell phone frequencies, so you might do better close to a window. Also, the small amount of oxide on screws and other fasterners holding the metal in the teardrop together typically has a low resistance at DC, but may have a very high resistance at cell phone frequencies and so, ironically, a less well built trailer, mechanically, may have better cell phone properties.

That oxide also can act as a diode, and so if you happen to camp next to an antenna farm (very high power levels) you may find yourself living inside a crystal radio and be "entertained" by a strong station. (Antenna engineers call this the "rusty bolt effect".) That's theory; be interesting if anyone ever actually experienced it in their trailer?

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