120V submersible pump experiment. Is it safe???

[madjack]

...this is a reminder and not a finger point at anyone...
Rule #1...no fighting
Rule #2...see #1
OK...OK
madjack

[Kevin A]

This thread is getting OUT OF HAND, I think it's time to take "time out" and give it a rest.

[madjack]

...after this thread was marked as a flame war, I went back and re-read it several times and the basic question/answer contained important info so I have edited some of the worst stuff out and returned it here...to all members PLAY NICE or we take our collective ball and go home...I hope all involved understand...I and all admins are available for consult thru the PM or Email buttons, feel free to do so if needed but don't come cry on our shoulders, y'all are all adults so act as reponsible ones...especially since we(the admins) absolutely loathe having to pull a post much less and entire thread. If the sniping continues...well it goes back to the flame wars section
madjack

[An Ol Timer]

Well now ya gotta know, that much like with the federal government, I now feel much safer here with the foxes guarding the hen house.

[Ira]

I never fight about submersible pump experiments--because I know nothing about the subject.

However, I still reserve the right to fight about OTHER subjects I know nothing about.

[Miriam C.]

Dear All,
I emailed Harbor Freight as asked the following:

>Is this safe to use to pump water to a sink or shower in a camper using
>power from the camp sight

From: "Tech Support" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: submersible pump
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 09:01:37 -0700
>This is a different type of operation for this pump. This one is for
>fountains or some type of decorative system that requires water flow.
> >
>Please remember to attach all previous e-mail responses when replying
>back to us.
>
> >
>Dexter Nunnery
>Technical Support
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
>Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 3:22 PM
>To: Tech Support
>Subject: submersible pump
>
>>Subject: submersible pump
>Item#: ITEM 45303-0VGA
>Item Description: submersible pump
>Comments: ITEM 45303-0VGA
>Is this safe to use to pump water to a sink or shower in a camper using
>power from the camp sight
>

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When I replied and asked if it was safe for hand washing thier answer was to attach the manual and send it to me.

Anyone wishing the manual can PM me with an email address and I will forward it. If you email please put "Teardrop" in the subject so I will not think it is the usual junk.

I will let Mad Jack have the final point - because if all things were equal his is indisputable:

Mad Jacks Quote:

...in all of these arguments there is one fact that has been sorely overlooked...This pump is not meant for pumping of water for human consumption and for no other reason BUT that one, I would steer very well clear of it...as an added aside...if possible I would avoid mixing ACV and water...I grew up with water wells...have also worked on them as a plumber and have been knocked on my butt more than once by some errant electrons...
madjack

Miriam

[GeorgeTelford]

Hi Miriam

The email does not say it should not be used its the usual bland missive where they dont want to commit, You are also missing the fact that that part is used as a coolant pump in which the operators hands get wet, also read the following
Here is a link to the pump.

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/d ... mber=45303

It states it can be used with tile saws that require a wet blade. Your hands are directly in contact with the water when cutting with a tile saw.

Again you have completely missed the point, the question is, is it safe?

Answer without a shadow of a doubt YES if wired correctly its safe, you have not managed to show one scenario where it is not safe. The email actually says nothing.

Regards

George

[Miriam C.]

George you are right. I have posted an offer for a manual without thinking of those who do not have email or want to divulge it. My apologies to you all.

This is page 4 of the "Mini submersible pump - 66 GPH model #45303/

I hope it clears up any missunderstanding.

Warning! Do not use In or around a swimming pool.
Warning! This pump is intended for use in clear water fountains only.

Warning: The warnings, cautions, and instructions discussed in this instruc-
tion manual cannot cover all possible conditions and situations that may oc-
cur. It must be understood by the operator that common sense and caution
are factors which cannot be built into this product, but must be supplied by
the operator.

Unpacking

When unpacking, check to make sure the parts listed on page 6 are inducted. If
any parts are missing or broken, please call Harbor Freight Tools at the number
on the cover of this manual.

Operation

Note: The National Electric Code requires that a ground fault interrupter (GPCI)
be used in the circuit supplying power to this Pump. Consult an electrician for
installation.

Note: This Pump is designed to be used in fountains no larger than 5 feet in
diameter. ^
Note: For proper cooling, only operate pump completely submerged. Maximum
submerged depth is 3 feet. *^
Warning! Do not let this pump ever run dry. ^»
Warning! Do not use this pump with hot water. Operate in fresh, clean water ^
only

"*^\ Warning! Always disconnect pump from power outlet before putting your hands in the fountain water or handling the pump.
Warning! Do not use pump if the cord is damaged.

1. Ptece the Connector Tube <<S) wet) below the top level of the fresh water to be
pumped.

2. Set the pump on a level spot in the fountain. The Suction Caps <H) must be
in contact with the fountain floor. Make sure the Pump is adequately supported.
If you use an additional hose and in-line filter (not included), do not use it or the
Connector Tube (G) to support trie pump.

3. Make sure the Pump is fully submerged. Adjust the flow rate by shifting the
Regulator (E). Making sure the pump is not plugged in, turn the grey switch on
the front of (he pump to the on position. Remove your hands from the water and
the pump. Plug in pump to begin operation.

SKI) 45303 Page 4.

I had not realized I could scan this and send it to the clipboard so I waisted a few hours trying to make my antiquated programs read. My apology's to those who couldn't get the full 7 pages.
Miriam

I am such a ditz here is the url for the manual is:
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/manuals.taf?f=form&ItemID=45303

[Sonetpro]

Sheeesh.

[GeorgeTelford]

Hi Miriam

George you are right.

Thanks at least thats cleared up then lol.

But if its used for Tile cutting as they advertise, before you place the tile and you hands in the water stream you have to switch the tile saw off hmmmm that'd work NOT.

Here is another quote from HF

Use this pump indoors or outdoors with table top fountains, birdbaths, even with some tile saws that require a wet blade.

Have you ever operated one Miriam? you cannot do it without getting your hands wet, their paperwork contradicts itself.

The American Humane Society would love to hear about HF targeting poor little birds with their dangerous pumps, with the Third Reich it was showers HF targeting Baths, Now HF targeting birds having a bath......

One other thing I note you have not managed to come up with a plausible scenario where this would actually be dangerous.

Correctly wired and with the simple supply tests that Bruce and I outlined elsewhere, I would gladly stand in a pool with a smashed pump and switch it on, maybe thats because I actually understand what is safe, how this things work and what is not safe.

This as been done to death now (the only death ever likely to occur because This Is Safe) so unless you actually come up with a Dangerous scenario for me to Refute I think I'll leave it at this.

[An Ol Timer]

Amen!

Maybe Mike should appoint an offical undertaker who when a subject has been beaten to death he can bury it.

This DAMN thing has been on life support long enough !

[mikeschn]

I don't typically lock threads... but locking this one sounds like a good idea...

Mike...