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Postby canned o minimum » Mon Nov 29, 2010 7:08 pm

YES ! Charcoal IS more dangerous than wood ! Ask ANY fireman how many people he has pulled out DEAD from a fireplace fire....Then ask how many were dead with a charcoal fire INSIDE !

Butchu don't hafta listen to ME...go ahead and start a charcoal fire in YER home or garage or shop...people jump outta perfectly good airplanes all the time too...but you only git ONE chance to be wrong at either one...Who am "I" to tell anybody what to do ?

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Postby slowcowboy » Mon Nov 29, 2010 8:42 pm

heck. I took a hour to get it started last year and last winter. but I sure in the heck as did burn it in the wood stove last winter.

I had a hell of a time getting the brekets to light. I didn't know before I posted this tread about the chimmly things.

I would like I said after a hour in a live flame fire in a wood stove get them going. they would help put out a lot of heat. but I burned though them way to fast. I could use a normal sack up almost in one night! yikes.

but the stove in my shop also burns coal in so there is really no danger I see in this briket thing inside in a shop. Yes. to light them with the chimmy problay is a good idea to take it out side with your coleman stove.

I will probaly just buy the old type match lit ones and add them to my fire this winter with the same stove shovel I did the matchless ones last winter. I can't see any danger to them as there is to me nothing like gas oline or desil to them to flare up.

i burnt sacks of charcoal brickets in my shop stove last winter. I sure in the heck don't leave the door open though! brrrrrrrr!!!!

I had no explosions or problems other than trying to get them to light!! they would take a hour to light in a live flame but they would light evidently.

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Postby canned o minimum » Mon Nov 29, 2010 8:52 pm

A little Russian roulette never killed anybody, but then "I" don't heat the place with a wood stove either.
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Postby Sonetpro » Mon Nov 29, 2010 9:38 pm

canned o minimum wrote:A little Russian roulette never killed anybody, but then "I" don't heat the place with a wood stove either.


mmmm When you burn wood in a wood stove you are left with the coals burning. And the embers are Charcoal burning.

Charcoal is burnt wood. I can't for the life of me see how that can be dangerous. We do it every night in the winter in the wood burning fireplace.
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Postby CAJUN LADY » Mon Nov 29, 2010 9:42 pm

Joamon wrote:What Kevin said? Works great! :thumbsup:
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Postby caseydog » Mon Nov 29, 2010 9:43 pm

Sonetpro wrote:
canned o minimum wrote:A little Russian roulette never killed anybody, but then "I" don't heat the place with a wood stove either.


mmmm When you burn wood in a wood stove you are left with the coals burning. And the embers are Charcoal burning.

Charcoal is burnt wood. I can't for the life of me see how that can be dangerous. We do it every night in the winter in the wood burning fireplace.


It's not dangerous, in a fireplace with a chimney. A charcoal fire in a house with no chimney would do the job of killing a person. As in, lighting a charcoal fire in a grill in the kitchen.

Of course, lighting a wood or charcoal fire in my badly designed and built fireplace would be a bad idea, which is why I have gas logs. A wood fire would not kill me, but the house would smell like a BBQ pit for weeks.

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Postby canned o minimum » Mon Nov 29, 2010 10:32 pm

"Fools go where angels fear to go." " You can lead a horse to water"...

"I jus cannot think of ONE advantage to burnin charcoal in a stove....but then..."I" don't heat my place wit a stove...
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Postby CAJUN LADY » Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:04 pm

canned o minimum wrote:"Fools go where angels fear to go." " You can lead a horse to water"...

"I jus cannot think of ONE advantage to burnin charcoal in a stove....but then..."I" don't heat my place wit a stove...


Did I miss something here?? What stove are you talking about?? An indoor house stove?? OR....a camp stove with a charcoal chimney on top with coals in it?? Which is done OUTSIDE, not INDOORS. I've lit my chimney on my CAMP stove many, many times - outside.

Or are you talking about burning it as a fuel in a wood burning stove?? :roll:
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Postby TheresaD » Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:24 pm

Becca.... I believe Canned O is expressing his concern over the fact that cowboy uses charcoal in his coal/wood type stove which is inside his shop. (Although I'm imagining that there is a chimney going from this stove to the outside of the building). I haven't quite gathered yet what the actual consequences of burning charcoal in such a stove are as of yet though - only that one shouldn't do it aparrently.... Does it burn hotter? Are there some sort of fumes that the chimney wouldn't handle? Need a little clarification here... :thinking:

As to the other part of the discussion... Some folks were discussing the ease of starting their charcoal briquettes Outside with a charcoal chimney/coffee can on their coleman (or similar) stoves on windy days or with newspaper etc. on calmer days... Either way the charcoal lighting was happening outside.... I'm pretty sure.... I think..... :?
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Postby canned o minimum » Tue Nov 30, 2010 12:33 am

I am jus concerned that charcoal is notoriuos fer givin off dangerous "fumes". Bein a former home fire alarm guy and NOT a scientist..the carbon fumes( not sure if co2 or co ) are only DEADLY.

"I" certainly would NOT take ANY chance with charcoal INSIDE under ANY circumstance. Fer me..it ain't worth the risk.

Maybe I'm a little ..."chicken little"bout it, but it sure sounds dangerous to me.( to burn charcoal INSIDE )

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Postby bobhenry » Tue Nov 30, 2010 1:59 am

Here is the answer to why it is unsafe in a fireplace !

The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission, in cooperation with the Barbecue Industry Association, warns consumers about the danger of misusing charcoal briquettes. During the past seven years, the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission has learned of 83 deaths from carbon monoxide poisoning occurring as a result of people burning charcoal briquettes in an enclosed area.

Some of the victims were campers who burned the charcoal to keep warm inside a tent or camper. Others were hunters who burned the charcoal inside their trucks, cars, or vans. In January of this year, a family attending the pose Parade in Pasadena, California, died when they brought an outdoor gill with a charcoal fire into their van apparently to keep themselves warm. In several home related incidents, victims die from carbon monoxide poisoning after they burned charcoal in a bedroom or living room for heat or cooking.

Current Commission regulations require two highly visible warning labels at the top of every bag of charcoal briquettes. The warning labels identify the hazard of carbon monoxide poisoning.

Carbon monoxide (CO) is a tasteless, odorless, invisible gas. Some symptoms of acute CO poisoning are headache, confusion, dizziness, nausea and, at high enough concentrations, loss of consciousness. Consumers may not realize that burning charcoal produces large amounts of carbon monoxide and that it only takes a small amount of CO in the air to produce symptoms of CO poisoning and even death. Opening a window or using a fan will not assure that CO gas will be reduced to safe levels.

Burning the charcoal in a fireplace can also be hazardous because it is questionable whether a charcoal fire will create a chimney draft sufficient to assure that CO will be exhausted to the outside. Because CO is not visible, and is odorless, consumers may not be aware that carbon monoxide is accumulating.

The Commission and the Barbecue Industry Association urge that consumers not use charcoal to cook or to provide heat inside a tent, camper, van, car, truck, home, mobile home, or other enclosed area. To report any potential product related hazards, consumers should call the CPSC Hotline at 800-638-CPSC. The teletypewriter number for the hearing-impaired is (301) 595-7054.


I would not be concerned in a properly vented and properly maintained wood or coal burning stove as it is sized so the vent is several times larger than the inlet air unlike a large open faced fireplace This wood appliance design assures any off gassing will be vented to the outside.
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Postby canned o minimum » Tue Nov 30, 2010 8:07 am

PHEW ! Finally sum clarification..."I" have never been accused of bein "smart". Glad THAT is over with.
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Postby CAJUN LADY » Tue Nov 30, 2010 3:16 pm

T, yea, I was a little confused as to what they were talking about since the conversation jumped all over from inside, outside, stove, etc. Anyway, we got it straight.

I wouldn't light charcoal indoors period! Not even in a garage with the garage door wide open - just not safe. We have a screened in pool with a patio under cover. My husband won't even let me bbq inside there even though it's all basically open air. He says NO!...so I don't. The fumes are just too toxic so why take a chance.
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Postby canned o minimum » Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:09 pm

Wisdom, like common sense..it ain't so common any more. You are wise beyond yer years !
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Postby CAJUN LADY » Tue Nov 30, 2010 5:28 pm

canned o minimum wrote:Wisdom, like common sense..it ain't so common any more. You are wise beyond yer years !


:yes: True, true! But it took years of bumps and bruises and a few butt whoopin's from my dad to finally "wise" me up. :lol:
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