how many coleman lanterns for a trailer house?

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how many coleman lanterns for a trailer house?

Postby GerryS » Sat May 03, 2014 6:09 am

If I ever find a place to put it, I want to build a cabin....probably have 110 for air conditioner and running those things that 12 volt simply won't work....power tools and margarita blenders.

Look at the big RVs for lighting...12 volt fixtures are pretty classy now, using solar and wind to generate electricity to change the batteries. The thought of propane as primary lighting isn't appealing. Fumes and heat just are too much to deal with. Of course, having lanterns is still a must, in case you need to use that 12 volt for something better or it simply isn't available because of no sun or wind for a period of time.

Propane has it's place (refrigeration and indoor cooking) but I'm not so sure about it for lighting....there seem to be much better alternatives to primary light that have less downsides...
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Re: how many coleman lanterns for a trailer house?

Postby dratkinson » Tue May 06, 2014 5:00 am

I vote against NG/propane lighting. Read an article recently that said it left a dull film on everything that was a pain to clean off. Sorry, don't remember source.


If you need liquid fuel lighting, try an Alladin lamp (~60W bulb equivalent). Lots of light, but also lots of heat. I have two always ready to go, plus a couple of #2 flat-wick kerosene lamps (~25W bulb equivalent). I burn Klean Heat in both (~$11/gal at Home Depot).


I like the solar/battery/light idea. Here is one man's solution to the solar panels, battery, inverter, lighting problem.

"Case Study - Sizing a system for a pop-up camper trailer"
http://www.otherpower.com/popup.html

In above, the author uses an inverter and compact florescent lamps (CFLs). However, you might be able to find 12v LED bulbs and save the expense of the inverter. (Don't use 12v filament bulbs. Too much current draw.) Search for "bright 12v LED light"

Ignorance speaking here, so be cautioned. If the 12v LED bulbs don't exist, or are too expensive, you could make your own. How? I believe it requires 3v to light a white-light LED die. So 4 of them, wired in series should run off of 12v. (You may need a resistor to drop the current to be correct for the LED string.) Gang as many 4-LED strings together as needed to get the brightness you want.

Another idea. I was recently looking for some bright LED backup lights for my truck. They do exist, so maybe one (or a few) of those would do what you need. Seem to recall they were ~$20/each. (I'm sure they are doing what above idea suggests: wire 3v LED dies in series to work off 12v. Haven't ordered them yet so don't know how well they work.

http://www.superbrightleds.com/cat/truck-lights-lamps/

However, the inverter idea would let you use small appliances: radio, small microwave, etc. Really, the small microwave can be used (according to above author) because it is only used for a few minutes a day.


Seem to recall reading you fished with a trolling motor/battery, so you are half way there. Just need a solar panel and some 12v LED lights. Could wire your trailer from the battery with extension cords and pull switches as an expedient. Would need to watch extension cord polarity and length.
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Re: how many coleman lanterns for a trailer house?

Postby Wolffarmer » Tue May 06, 2014 8:05 am

If one uses the Aladdin lamps remember that if you are above about 3000 feet in elevation you need either the tall chimney or use aluminum foil to make an extension about 2-4 inches long.

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Re: how many coleman lanterns for a trailer house?

Postby dguff » Tue May 06, 2014 2:15 pm

slowcowboy wrote:with me single and getting the trailer house. I am on the ranch here in pavillion going to have to do to where to put the thingy probaly going to have to go off grid till I can find a place to buy to put the trailer house.

I am wandering how many coleman lanterns would it take to light up a 14 x 70 single wide trailer house?

I got lots of old ideas for camping off grid in my new house.

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Re: how many coleman lanterns for a trailer house?

Postby dratkinson » Tue May 06, 2014 3:22 pm

Wolffarmer wrote:If one uses the Aladdin lamps remember that if you are above about 3000 feet in elevation you need either the tall chimney or use aluminum foil to make an extension about 2-4 inches long.

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I'm at 5,400' altitude.

I have both chimneys on my two Aladdin lamps: one short, one long. Maybe it's just me, but I don't see that much difference between the two. But I've not yet used them very much, so could be I'm new to this learning curve.


You can buy the high-altitude extension from Lehman's Hardware online.


But being cheap, I made an extension from a piece of handy coil.

    Make the right diameter chimney jig. Cut several TP rolls lengthwise. (TP rolls are 4" long, about the length of the extension adapter.) Wrap/tape each around an uncut TP roll until combination is the diameter of my shorter (cheaper) chimney. (Took maybe 3-4 TP rolls to build up to correct chimney diameter.)

    Cut a piece of handy coil 4"x7.5". Wrap handy coil around chimney jig: the ends will overlay ~.5". Tape handy coil tightly in place. Drill three holes along coil overlap and through chimney jig: you won't hurt it. Un-tape handy coil, remove chimney jig.

    Remove tape residue. Secure coil with pop rivets through drilled holes.

    Add two additional pop rivets (equally spaced ) opposite one of the end pop rivets. Those three pop rivets become the legs which allow the chimney extension to sit on top of the glass chimney.

    In use the handy coil extension will turn dark.


In use, I can't really see much difference between using the lamp with/without the extension.

It is possible I should have made the extension a tighter/friction fit as there is a small gap between it and the glass chimney. So maybe too much air is leaking past and the lamp is not seeing enough additional vacuum to make it work better.

But even without the extension, the shorter chimney Aladdin is still bright, so plan to use it that way and not bother with the extension.



Just for grins, tried the handy coil extension on my flat-wick lamp to see if it would work better (chimney top diameter was comparable). Didn't see that much difference in brightness, but the flame was acting differently (maybe taller, more feathery edges; but it's been a while and I've forgotten), so more air was flowing through the lamp.



Bottom line. Will probably just use both lamps (Aladdin and flat wick) without the extension; and buy the shorter, cheaper Aladdin chimney as replacement.
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Re: how many coleman lanterns for a trailer house?

Postby dratkinson » Fri May 09, 2014 2:08 am

Stumbled across this bulb as an example:

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http://www.eslightbulbs.com/products/3-watt-led-bulbs

3W LED translates into ~45W incandescent-bulb lighting level.

I seem to recall 5000K is close to natural sunlight: no noticeable red/blue tint.

Don't know if these bulbs are reliable.

But, assuming everything worked well, than a combination of: solar panel, deep-cycle battery, battery clamps to extension cord adapter (observing correct polarity), polarized extension cords, and polarized switched light bulb sockets (think drop lights or table lamps) could maybe be a starting place for a 12v system to do what slow wants to light his trailer.

Above could also charge a cell phone directly by using 12v charging cord and cigarette lighter socket adapter.

Should probably also include some circuit fusing for safety.
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Re: how many coleman lanterns for a trailer house?

Postby Ironhinge » Fri Jun 13, 2014 11:17 am

I have been thinking about Leds, especially as a general light... I love "real" light you get from propane, gas or incandescent for task lighting and actually working/living. But having a switch that gives enough light in the larger space to move around, refill fuel, replace mantels etc... seems key. Plus a switch makes getting up in the night easy.

I saw a string of water resistant leds for sale at radio shack. I believe there were 20 sets of three and one or 1/3 watt per led. It is actually a ribbon that can be cut to length and attached to a 12v line. I think the actual draw on a 12v deep cycle would be low enough that It wouldn’t really be an issue to have one or two on in the background in case your main light gets finicky.
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Re: how many coleman lanterns for a trailer house?

Postby Corwin C » Sat Jun 14, 2014 7:37 am

At work, the mandate came around to update the shop and yard lighting. Replaced 500 watt Mogul incandescent lighting with 6 watt LED. I can now light the whole shop (120' x 40') for less power than one bulb previously. There is some color difference, but it's a comfortable difference and the quality/quantity of light is comparable to before.

As for lanterns in a trailer house ... one lit int the room you spend your time in and one lit to move when you move around and one fueled and ready to go so you don't have to fuel a hot lantern. Carbon monoxide detector is a must have item and be careful.

The 12v/solar option with LED lights and judicious use might be the best and safest solution. It could be done the same as a teardrop, just more wire. Watch the voltage drop with long wire lengths.
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Re: how many coleman lanterns for a trailer house?

Postby rowerwet » Fri Jun 20, 2014 5:41 am

A friend of mine is an administrator for a college, back when CFL's were new the college was told they would save a bunch of money going to them. He never saw a change to the electric rate/maintenance bills. Now they replace everything with LED as it fails, he is finally seeing the promised savings, thanks to LED's.
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Re: how many coleman lanterns for a trailer house?

Postby mgb4tim » Fri Jun 20, 2014 12:38 pm

led strip lighting can be had cheaply ($7.50 for 15' strip), uses little power (2 amps at 12v), doesn't take up much room, and usually comes with a 3M adhesive backing.
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Re: how many coleman lanterns for a trailer house?

Postby slowcowboy » Tue Jun 24, 2014 6:59 am

well I am getting crazer. I have a problem hooking the water up to my trailer where it is parked in the back cow pasture. so yep. I robbed out of my donor parts motor home I was given the hole rv water sytem! I got a rv water pump a surflo a big rv fresh water tank and fucets and pipeing and yea. stuff to hook it up rv way to take a shower.

I will have a built in cistern in my trailer house and run my water styem to take a shower on 12 volt and a fresh water tank under the kitchen sink. I will have a rv water styem to my kitchen sink.

I even got the rv style porta pot!

and one of my bathrooms in my trailer house has a broken up old tolet. yep trade it out for the rv porta pot

and put in a holding rv gray water tank below the trailer house to take care of now sewer stem!!!!!!!

heck why not I can live in style if pavillon has a power outage. why have a electric bill I am on part time wages at work right now any ways.

I got 12 volt rv lights. plenty of camping gear. I got a half built 12 volt wind turbine to keep batters up and I got room in a spar e bedroom closet to stack 12 volt batterys.

I got from a old pope up trailer the 120 convertor to 12 volt so I can run a drop cord from the shop on the ranch if need be.

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Re: how many coleman lanterns for a trailer house?

Postby slowcowboy » Tue Jun 24, 2014 6:33 pm

what about a coleman 1920s. 4 mantle chandeler? they were desinged for house inside lighting in the 20s. like rail road stations!
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Re: how many coleman lanterns for a trailer house?

Postby Wolffarmer » Tue Jun 24, 2014 7:32 pm

That would light you right up. But the cost of CF these days. :frightened:

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Re: how many coleman lanterns for a trailer house?

Postby Ironhinge » Mon Jul 21, 2014 7:19 pm

The Chandelier sounds spectacular, is it white gas?
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Re: how many coleman lanterns for a trailer house?

Postby lrrice » Mon Aug 04, 2014 9:24 pm

I grew up without electricity. We upgraded from kerosene and coleman to stationary propane lights (Humphries) and later to solar. You need one coleman light, the one your using. You don't want to leave these things burning unattended all over the place. Have secure places for them so they don't get inadvertently knocked over and if you use hangers make sure they are far enough from the walls and ceiling. If you cant keep your hand between them its too close. If using white gas, fill them outside each night before you light them. Enough solar for led lights can be made with one of those little harbor freight set ups. Batteries produce hydrogen when they charge. They do not go in the house.! They go outside in an insulated vented box.
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