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Re: "Jackal" 5x10 TD PD 4045 questions

Postby JmsCaverly » Sun Nov 01, 2015 3:12 pm

The line that's coming in is the 120v line from my household outlet.
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Re: "Jackal" 5x10 TD PD 4045 questions

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Re: "Jackal" 5x10 TD PD 4045 questions

Postby JmsCaverly » Sun Nov 01, 2015 3:25 pm

Ok so I got the shore lines figured out but what's the 120 hot block for? It's the block on the far right of the box.
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Re: "Jackal" 5x10 TD PD 4045 questions

Postby Padilen » Sun Nov 01, 2015 3:34 pm

To power the converter 12 volt side! I can snap a pic of directions if you need them.
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Re: "Jackal" 5x10 TD PD 4045 questions

Postby JmsCaverly » Sun Nov 01, 2015 3:41 pm

Ok cool so I checked that and I'm getting 120v to it so I know that's good. But if I may ask you have a second line going to yours what's that for? I know I'm asking a lot I'm sorry but I just want to get this right.
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"Jackal" 5x10 TD PD 4045 questions

Postby Padilen » Sun Nov 01, 2015 3:50 pm

I've only put power to it from breaker. The other line was existing power out to converter.

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Re: "Jackal" 5x10 TD PD 4045 questions

Postby JmsCaverly » Sun Nov 01, 2015 3:56 pm

Ok thanks for the help maybe I'm just confused. I'll have to do some more reading before I go live. Because I don't have mine breakered and the diagram I have is the same you posted.
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Re: "Jackal" 5x10 TD PD 4045 questions

Postby Padilen » Sun Nov 01, 2015 4:02 pm

It takes awhile. Just keep checking and rechecking. Maybe someone else will point out my failures If there are any. I have one more receptacle to finish my outside. I'm still thinking how and where I want it as my original plan changed and change yet again.
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Re: "Jackal" 5x10 TD PD 4045 questions

Postby JmsCaverly » Sun Nov 01, 2015 6:52 pm

Hey Padilen thanks for help!!

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Re: "Jackal" 5x10 TD PD 4045 questions

Postby Padilen » Sun Nov 01, 2015 6:55 pm

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Re: "Jackal" 5x10 TD PD 4045 questions

Postby JmsCaverly » Sun Nov 01, 2015 11:27 pm

Ok so after a very long day, and some much needed help from Padilen. I'm feeling a bit more comfortable with the wiring. I like the way its turning out. Heres where I stand now:

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It looks good now but I'm sure that will change.

I'm still mot so sure about the AC side of things my test points look good im getting 110v (more like 117.5) where I should be but I'm unsure of how this is "working". In my reading I saw that the micro controller will only kick in when the voltage drops below a target point. So I gues I will have to wait till that day comes, other than that I plan on jumping into the AC outlets, TV/DVD, and refridgerator set this week and if they all check out good I think I'll be fine.

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I'm still a bit confused on how the charger is getting power when the hot line in goes right to the C/B and no where else it must be magic!

Well in the end I have DC power and thats the big part of what I wanted to get done this weekend.

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Re: "Jackal" 5x10 TD PD 4045 questions

Postby Gettin Started » Mon Nov 02, 2015 1:18 am

You need to add a 15 amp breaker with a black wire between the 15amp breaker and the hot bus bar. That will provide power to the converter when 110V power is connected. If you only have the 30 amp breaker installed, there is no power going to the converter. This is the only time that you'll use the 110V hot bus bar. When you add additional breakers for 110V outlets, you'll run the black wire from the breaker directly to the outlet, and the green and white wires will go to the neutral and ground busses.

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Re: "Jackal" 5x10 TD PD 4045 questions

Postby noseoil » Mon Nov 02, 2015 7:29 am

Hi James, I was working on the same thing this weekend, sorry to be late on a comment. The one thing lacking on the instructions for the PD4045 is the jumper from the breaker slots to the "hot bar" (actually, it's one of the many things lacking in the instructions in my case). Don't feel bad about not understanding the instruction sheet, it's a POS as far as information is concerned and making sense. They build a quality product, but the instructions are for someone who has already done several installations, or perhaps works at the factory already.

In the image below, you can see the breaker area for my installation. Lousy about the picture quality, it's cropped out of a much larger image so the detail could be better & easier to see. The way mine is set up, breaker #1 (from the left) is the inlet breaker for shore power from the outside. #2 powers an outlet at the front of the cabin for the air conditioning circuit. #3 does the left hand counter outlet for the galley, the right-hand one is powered by an inverter off the battery. #4 is the jumper for the "hot bus" for the converter & charging setup inside the PD4045.

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Another thing I'm confused about is the use of both red & black wires for the 12 volt power. What's up with that one, why? I couldn't figure out if the red wires were positive & the black ones were grounds when I started. I used my 12 volt "test battery" (it's next to the coffee cup & in front of the power switch) to check the circuits as I went, but it's maddening to have to do it this way. I still haven't powered it up yet, so not sure what will happen when I do. Hopefully everything will be OK when I plug it in the first time. As long as there's no smoke or fire, I'll be happy.
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Re: "Jackal" 5x10 TD PD 4045 questions

Postby JmsCaverly » Mon Nov 02, 2015 1:32 pm

Thank you Gettin Started for that very detailed instruction that will help out a lot when I head home later to dive back into it. I think one thing I'm still confuesed about it how is the C/B putting power back through? Are the metal bars behind the C/B energized or are they there to merly hold the C/B? and I dont get why I need two C/B's on 30 amp and one 15 amp. I now know that the 15 amp is for the converter but whats the 30 amp breaker for? The more I think about it the more confused I get.


Hey Nose, thanks for your input you've been a big help! I see that the #1 breaker is for the inlet power (which I stated above I didnt know what it was for but now makes a little sense) but how does that distrubute the 110v to the rest of the panel? I see that your #2, #3, #4 have power but from where? how are they getting the available 110v from the shore power?
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Re: "Jackal" 5x10 TD PD 4045 questions

Postby JmsCaverly » Mon Nov 02, 2015 1:39 pm

noseoil wrote:Another thing I'm confused about is the use of both red & black wires for the 12 volt power. What's up with that one, why?



I think the reasoning behind that was that the #1,#2 positions are for 30 amp max and everything else is a max of 20 amp. That could really only be my best guess.
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