Slow Build in Oz

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Re: Slow Build in Oz

Postby MickinOz » Tue Dec 31, 2019 9:24 pm

Decision time is here.
I'd like to do an ellipse at the rear like caseydog.

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On the other hand, that is a freehand cut, and I just finished knocking up a compass setup for one of the routers.
It screws to the original guide attachment, without drilling any fresh holes.
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With that, I think I can cut very smooth accurate curves. I've drilled it at 100mm intervals, so can run anywhere from 0.5 to 1.1 metres in 100mm increments.

So I've been contemplating this profile:
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closer to 9 feet long than 8, I think it still wouldn't look too shabby.

The extra length I expect to use for
a) full length queen mattress
b) make sure the rear compartment is long enough for a fridge on slide. The slide I'll have to make with HD drawer slides, the standard fridge slides I have found so far are too long, though my mate swears he's seen one set up for putting the fridge in sideways, so maybe I'll get lucky and find a suitable prebuilt one.
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Re: Slow Build in Oz

Postby MickinOz » Tue Dec 31, 2019 9:57 pm

It strikes me, on this lovely first day of 2020, when it is cool enough we have the doors open, the air conditioners off, I'm having a glass of rose for an after lunch palate cleanser, and the bushfires are far away, that I should think a moment how blessed I am.
I can't believe, now I've dragged them all out of their hidey-holes, how many quality power tools I'm rockin', almost all Makita brand.
I shake my head at how much stuff I've accumulated in the 43 years I've been earning my own money.
Some were gifts, but most came from garage sales at less than half new price.
Feeling pretty damned lucky right now.
There's a gofundme page for the volunteers who have been fighting the fires. Think I'll go make a donation.
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Re: Slow Build in Oz

Postby MickinOz » Fri Jan 03, 2020 2:14 am

Today I finally bit the bullet and made a few decisions.
Firstly, I went to the hardware store and checked out what roofing plywood were available.
Choices have expanded. As well as the 4mm marine ply, they have 2.7mm luan ply, interior grade bond, that would roll up into any size you want I reckon.
I'm waiting on a reply from a mob that supply 2.4mm heavy duty fibreglass sheeting used for RV cladding.
(Light duty is 1.5mm, medium is 2.0 mm)
If they will agree to freight it to SA from Queensland, I reckon I'll get that.
List price for their off-cuts is quite reasonable compared to the 4mm marine plywood.
Anyway, with 3 potential roofing materials on the go, I figured I could stop obsessing about the profiel shape, as I should be able to get something that will bend to whatever curve I decide on.

The generic Benroy plans don't translate into metric easily, and they sort of have to, as we don't get proper Imperial size sheets.
A "4 x 8" is actually 1200mm by 2400mm. i.e. about 3' 11 1/4" by 7' 10 1/2"

So using the inspiration of caseydog's build and guided by the pribciples of the generic Benroy plans, I muddled through and created a metric equivalent.

Here is the rear profile.
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Starting from the rear end of the sheet, measure in 1000mm top and bottom and draw a line.
Measure up 100 mm and draw a line parallel to the bottom of the sheet that interesects the vertical. This gives the pivot point for an 1100mm radius that starts from the top edge at the 1000mm mark.
measure in 500mm from the rear end of the sheet and draw a vertical line. Measure up 428mm from the bottom of the sheet and draw a line that intersects the 500mm line. This is the pivot point for a 500mm radius that will intersect the main curve at coordinates 89mm in from the end of the sheet and 709mm up from the bottom.
I was able to machine the 1100mm radius, then come back and round off the transition into the vertical rear of the sheet with the second 500mm radius.

Very satisfactory result.
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Re: Slow Build in Oz

Postby MickinOz » Fri Jan 03, 2020 2:54 am

Fairly happy with the first side.
Followed up the rear cut with a simple 600mm radius at the front
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Completed profile.
I will trace this onto the next sheet. I'm going to operate from the pre-determined fixed points for the radii, but a pencil outline from the first sheet will alert for any mistakes.
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Re: Slow Build in Oz

Postby MickinOz » Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:26 am

The other thing I'm pretty happy with is the internal appearance of my "triple lap scarf"
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Re: Slow Build in Oz

Postby retep » Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:02 am

I am looking forward to watching your Benroy come to life. Looks like it will be similar to my dream. I will be watching your build. Great job.

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Re: Slow Build in Oz

Postby edgeau » Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:23 am

Mate, just a heads up on your radius. I had a 600mm on the front of mine and 6mm marine ply only just bent around it with a few stress cracks I had to sand back. That said I also had 480 for a portion of the hatch and that worked OK. If you can source 4mm that would be better.

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Re: Slow Build in Oz

Postby MickinOz » Sat Jan 04, 2020 3:10 pm

edgeau wrote:Mate, just a heads up on your radius. I had a 600mm on the front of mine and 6mm marine ply only just bent around it with a few stress cracks I had to sand back. That said I also had 480 for a portion of the hatch and that worked OK. If you can source 4mm that would be better.
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Thanks mate. Making the decision on the radius has been a major impediment to my progress. I read about your adventure with surface checking, and it gave me pause.
My local choices are 4mm marine ply or 2.7mm luaun ply.
The 2.7mm luaun ply is so flexible (local joint uses the alternative spelling) but is "interior bond" so a bit unappealing.

The 4mm was recommended by a local bloke who built a beautiful semi-displacement boat that he used for commercial fishing.
He followed that with a replica of a 1950's model bondwood caravan to tow behind his restored FJ Holden.
He's a control room operator at work, and when I got seconded over to his plant to assist with the metallurgy for a while, we found time for a decent discussion one quiet-ish night shift.

Anyway, he reckoned 4mm marine ply is plenty strong enough to clad a tear drop and bends OK.
I looked it over at the store, and I could pick up the top sheet and flex the full 8 feet sheet a little just by hand, hanging onto the long edge. This made me think it doable.
The Benroy drawings show a 19 inch front radius, 600mm is a touch over 23.5inches. So I said bugger it, time to "piss or get off the pot".
I calculated that, if you wanted to leave 25mm at each end of the curve for fastening the sheet, max radius is 732 mm.
If I absolutely have to, I'll put little tiny kerfs through the surface veneer on the inside of the curve. That can be hidden and will effectively turn it into 3mm 2 ply. I have a pointed bit that will fit one of the routers, and I could easily set it for say 1mm, if soaking the sheets in hot water doesn't do the business. Of course at 600mm radius, and say 10mm spacing, it'd be something like 90 cuts. :)

I was feeling a little hang dog about all this. Clearly, materials selection is very important, freight cost is a killer here in South Oz, and choices are limited.
Then I thought of the words of a previous General Manager when he was asking me to go sort out a an area that had been left with no technical support for years, and was looking somewhat disorganised. "I know I'm giving you an elephant and a spoon, Michael. Just a spoonful at a time, mate, you'll be right."
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Re: Slow Build in Oz

Postby MickinOz » Sat Jan 18, 2020 4:54 am

Got a little done today.
My new 1000 kg axle turned up during the week.
I hit it with the pressure washer and gave it a lick of zinc rich paint.
Then my son and I transferred the hubs (I showed him how to re-pack a bearing with a blob of grease in the palm of your hand) and bolted the axle in.
Put the new wheels on too.
Waiting for Monday now so I can drop the money for the doors and hinge in the vendor's bank account.
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Re: Slow Build in Oz

Postby edgeau » Sat Jan 18, 2020 5:33 am

That old boat trailer is looking pretty good. As I am always putting the boat in salt water I am well familiar with repacking bearings. Better at home than by the side of the highway!

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Re: Slow Build in Oz

Postby MickinOz » Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:12 am

Thanks.
have bearing buddies on my actual boat trailer - sometimes I even remember to give 'em a couple of pumps with the grease gun. :)
I suppose I should put some on this, too, but I'm thinking I'd like to get a couple chromed centre caps and a set of chromed dome type wheel nuts.
The bearing buddies wouldn't suit wit that set up,I reckon.
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Re: Slow Build in Oz

Postby swoody126 » Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:21 am

a couple of the trailer wheel manufacturers offer charming plated hub center caps w/ a snap out plug for servicing your bearing protectors

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Re: Slow Build in Oz

Postby MickinOz » Sat Jan 18, 2020 4:32 pm

I've never seen those here in Oz, I'll have to have a look around.
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Re: Slow Build in Oz

Postby MickinOz » Sat Jan 18, 2020 5:39 pm

With floor, new axle and wheels, sides cut out, ready to mount after I do the doors, currently sitting at $2010 Aussie dollars.

Still need to buy:
doors and hurricane hinge, ~ $1360
roofing material, ~ $400
at least one more sheet of ply ~$60
vent ~$100
mattress, ~$200
mudguards ~$100
paint ~$150
fridge ~$400
stove ~$50
battery ~$150
wiring ~$100 (electrician in the family - expect to buy it all at trade price.)

so looking at still needing to spend at least another $3100

Total spend looks like coming in a little north of $5000 AUS for a 9 x 5 teardrop.
That's about $3500 US.
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Re: Slow Build in Oz

Postby MickinOz » Sat Jan 18, 2020 9:59 pm

Just finished the somewhat laborious process of weighing the beast.
Process consists of setting up level and putting a bathroom scale under each wheel and the front jack.
Looking at 75 + 75 + 40 = 190 kg at the moment with new wheels, axle and floor fitted.
Reckon I'm on track to come in around 400kg as desired.
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