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Custom Design Squaredrop Build

Postby jamorgan3777 » Mon Nov 02, 2020 3:14 pm

I guess its finally time to kick off a build journal. Got a bunch of steel and taught myself how to weld and jumping in with both feet. I will apologize in advance for the random time intervals from which updates will be posted. I am a) bad about posting things and 2) dont get to work on the trailer that much. It goes in fits and starts.

First is the metal laid out for the frame. Its 9' x 5' and will have a full 60"x80" queen bed with about 30" at the end for a kitchen on a drawer slide. The frame is all 2"x3" 14 gauge tube with a 3"x3" 11gauge axle member.
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tongue Added but not welded yet
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Still working on how I am going to set up the flexiride half axles.

Thanks for watching. This is my first ever build like this so lots to learn.
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Re: Custom Design Squaredrop Build

Postby Greg M » Mon Nov 02, 2020 11:49 pm

Looking really good :thumbsup:
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Re: Custom Design Squaredrop Build

Postby twisted lines » Tue Nov 03, 2020 11:08 am

From the looks of the wood shop you will be right at home soon :thumbsup:
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Axle placement

Postby jamorgan3777 » Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:06 am

I am running Flexiride 3500# half axles and am concerned about axle placement over the outside frame rails. I emailed the techs where I purchased the axles and they gave some advice, but I am still not sure how I want to go. I can think of 3 possibilities right now.

Here are some pics of what I am talking about.

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My options as I see it are:

1. Mount as pictured and with the maximum "down angle" of 24 degrees and cross my fingers that they dont bottom out. This is what the techs suggested that if they are mounted with the maximum down angle, frame contact should not be an issue unless they are overloaded. This is a small trailer build so I am anticipating the axles to be "under" loaded all of the time (different problems I know).

2. I can mount these with the bolt hole closest to the frame rail on the outside of the frame. This would work also except it would provide slightly less weld length. This would be the most "robust" way to do it as I would not have to worry about bottoming out, I would only need to mount the fenders high enough that the wheel would not contact. This makes some added weirdness as I was not planning on having a gap between the side wall of the trailer and the side of the fender. Mounting on the outside would result in an ~2" difference.

3. An alternative would be to add a "lift kit" of sorts. I would mount as pictured except I would add a 2" spacer between the axle and the plate. Im thinking a 2" square tube with 4 holes drilled in it running the length of the plate. Two of these front and back of each plate would provide an additional 2" of clearance. The nice thing about this is it could be done after mounting via option 1.

4. I could mount with the far left holes square over the side rail and drill through with either added sleeves or with a 1/4" plate on top to distribute the load (and without sleeves in the 2"x3" x14ga rectangle tube side rail?).

As of writing these are in order of my current preference. Especially given that option 1 can be modified by option 3 if needed. Would not have to be 2" either, could try 1" or less as well (1/2" plate or bar across them as well. I suppose another option would be to weld on two pieces of 1/4" angle stock to each side and extend the mounting surface down by an inch or two. That seems complicated though.

Any thoughts, I would really appreciate hearing them.
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Re: Custom Design Squaredrop Build

Postby twisted lines » Thu Nov 05, 2020 10:10 am

Every time I get to this point I get the wheels I am going to use so I can see it.
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Re: Custom Design Squaredrop Build

Postby jamorgan3777 » Thu Nov 05, 2020 2:37 pm

Good suggestion. I plan to weld the tongue on this weekend. Maybe I will flip it over and clamp everything in place a couple of different ways. I have the wheels and the fenders.
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Re: Custom Design Squaredrop Build

Postby MickinOz » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:27 pm

Changed my mind about what I posted. 14ga side members are too thin for what I had in mind.
I would have done it like below, but not with 1.6mm steel frame
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Re: Custom Design Squaredrop Build

Postby NevadaBlue » Thu Nov 05, 2020 7:25 pm

Looking good. Watching for my son who hopes to start a build.
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Re: Custom Design Squaredrop Build

Postby jamorgan3777 » Fri Nov 06, 2020 8:06 am

I think I am going to go with the inset mounting (as pictured above) with the option to put a spacer in (sort of like a lift kit) later if needed. I dont like the idea of drilling holes through the side members.

the cleanest option is to put those holes on the outside of the frame rail. There is plenty of room for that but it throws off my overall design a bit. I am going to clamp that up this weekend and attach the wheels and fenders and see how bad that is.
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Re: Custom Design Squaredrop Build

Postby jamorgan3777 » Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:53 am

Well, I got the trailer mostly complete. I've added stabilizer jacks, fenders (not pictured here yet, need to snap a couple) and still need to install the tongue jack.

Other than that I think I am ready for prep and paint. In another thread I asked what other have done for trailer finish and a good/easy option appears to be some good surface prep with degreasing, then an acid etch, then a couple coats of good quality enamel. Plan to give that a go.

Will post more pics with the paint an fenders on.
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Re: Custom Design Squaredrop Build

Postby noseoil » Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:43 am

Nice frame, welds & looks very strong the way it's designed. I'm watching this one as it looks like a great start, going to be a nice one!
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Re: Custom Design Squaredrop Build

Postby jamorgan3777 » Fri Dec 04, 2020 11:11 am

Been a while, but have been making progress. I got the floor built (easy part) and gave my first go at "the mix" which I think was also successful. I will try to get a pic of that before I put the finish coat on which will be a couple coats of the same black enamel paint we put on the trailer. Stop me now if you think that is a bad idea or have had trouble in the past with that. My reading suggests that once you get the mix on there, you can coat with any compatible surface finish (i.e. paint, bed liner, etc.)

More to come
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Re: Custom Design Squaredrop Build

Postby jamorgan3777 » Sat Dec 05, 2020 6:15 pm

More pics of the trailer and floor build. I used 1/2" ply and 2x4 for the floor and yes that was too much. Could have easily gotten away with 1/4" or maybe even 1/8 but with a 3500# axle and a truck as tow vehicle I am not that concerned with weight. should still be around 2k#

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Re: Custom Design Squaredrop Build

Postby NevadaBlue » Tue Dec 08, 2020 1:53 pm

That is looking VERY good to me. Keep it up!
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