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Postby egjacks » Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:19 pm

I am in the design stage of a teardrop and I want to know what to do with the propane tank lines. do most people detach the propane tank off the tongue (or wherever) and move it around to the back galley? has anyone put permanent gas lines in from the front to the back? what are your thoughts on this? safety...? common sense...? licensing problems...?

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Postby Dale M. » Tue Apr 26, 2011 10:11 pm

Permanent line from tongue to back UNDER trailer not sandwiched in floor construction...

Way it been on travel trailers for years....

It s royal pain to remove and re-secure propane tank on tongue just to get it filled, think of doing every time you stop someplace....

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Postby egjacks » Tue Apr 26, 2011 10:24 pm

Dale M. wrote:Permanent line from tongue to back UNDER trailer not sandwiched in floor construction...


having the lines accessible makes lots of sense. do you use hard pipes or soft? and do you put the lines inside anything (like conduit) to protect it from road damage?
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Postby Shadow Catcher » Wed Apr 27, 2011 4:57 am

RVIA standards call for black iron/steel pipe, but I have seen copper used.
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Postby Dale M. » Wed Apr 27, 2011 9:27 am

I would use a flex (rubber hose- (LPG approved)) connection at tank/regulator, steel (black iron is really non galvanized steel) if maybe 1/4 inch variety under trailer with soft copper line to make connection from steel line to appliance at galley. With the soft copper "flared" fittings seem more appropriate then compression (mainly because I hate compression fittings and always have a problem with them)...

Remember you are probably just going to power a little 2 burner stove so huge gas lines are not really necessary...

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Postby egjacks » Wed Apr 27, 2011 10:18 am

I think that I will have a two burner stove in the galley, i am waffling back and forth as far as permanent or removable. they both have advantages... :thinking: I can't think of much else in the galley I would need propane for.

has anyone added a permanent gas light to the galley or elsewhere on the trailer?

http://propaneapp.server101.com/commerce/search/products/?product_id=FGL100W&merchant_id=1467

that might not be a good idea inside but in the galley it might be nice.

can you think of anything else, other appliances, that an extra propane hookup would be nice for?

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Postby madjack » Wed Apr 27, 2011 1:33 pm

Eric, I use a 20# barbque tank, I tote it around wherever it will fit right noe but do plan a tongue mount...I don't cook in my galley but rather on an aux table...I use a distribution tree on the tank and place a lantern on top and use the two side outlets for either of the two stoves I have or one stove and a fish cooker...Coleman(and others) make a full line of propane fired appliances...deep fryers, ovens, slow cookers, "electric", style skillets, etc...all of them can be run off the distribution tree....
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Postby egjacks » Wed Apr 27, 2011 4:29 pm

Thanks MadJack. I am pretty new into forum life, but I couldn't let that stop me from my teardrop. :baby: :thumbsup: :baby:

next I need to (carefully) read the section about pictures and avatars... :)
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Postby Dale M. » Tue May 03, 2011 10:21 am

egjacks wrote:
Dale M. wrote:Permanent line from tongue to back UNDER trailer not sandwiched in floor construction...


having the lines accessible makes lots of sense. do you use hard pipes or soft? and do you put the lines inside anything (like conduit) to protect it from road damage?


I'm a little late addressing this, but its not a accessibility thing, its a safety thing... If line is under chassis and leaks propane is heavier than air and will drift down where it can be diluted and carried off by air currents...

If it is trapped inside floor or inside cabin and when it reaches proper air/fuel density its a bomb when exposed to ignition source.

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Postby egjacks » Tue May 03, 2011 10:42 am

Having line accessible for for maintenance is a good idea, Not having a time-bomb-teardrop is a WONDERFUL idea!!!
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Postby bobhenry » Tue May 03, 2011 11:48 am

I will be plumbing the chuckwagon in a couple of weeks. I will use 3/8 or 1/2 inch black steel pipe. As I understand it, do not use galvanized as the sulphur in the gas will cauce the galvanizing to flake off and will wind up clogging things down stream that shouldn't be clogged. :shock:
Gas cylinder will be mounted on the tongue and will be hooked via approved hose after the requlator then adapt to the pipe.The pipe will run under the trailer and elbow up into the galley thru a hole in the floor terminating with a gas shut off valve and an approved short flexible stainless steel gas line which will then connected to the stove.

Yes soft copper has been used but road vibration will fatigue the copper and can lead to stress fracturing especially at the fittings.

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Postby Dale M. » Tue May 03, 2011 9:07 pm

bobhenry wrote:I will be plumbing the chuckwagon in a couple of weeks. I will use 3/8 or 1/2 inch black steel pipe. As I understand it, do not use galvanized as the sulphur in the gas will cauce the galvanizing to flake off and will wind up clogging things down stream that shouldn't be clogged. :shock:
Gas cylinder will be mounted on the tongue and will be hooked via approved hose after the requlator then adapt to the pipe.The pipe will run under the trailer and elbow up into the galley thru a hole in the floor terminating with a gas shut off valve and an approved short flexible stainless steel gas line which will then connected to the stove.

Yes soft copper has been used but road vibration will fatigue the copper and can lead to stress fracturing especially at the fittings.

Just my take other opinions may differ. :oops:


If it were mine, I would do it exactly same way....

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Postby slowcowboy » Tue May 03, 2011 10:15 pm

My re done stove set up in my galley under belly storage drawer will be both perment and poratble. much like a pop up camper stove but made to be permant by securing with wing nuts and bolts with treads on top instead of bolt heads.


I enjoy using green coleman cans for my 2 burner propane needs.

I have a steak saver adapter so I can hook up a mr. buddy heater hose and go 20 pounder bottle if needed.

I won't carry a propane bottle on the tongue makes to much weight on the tongue on a teardrop.

I just stuff my 20 pounder in the between the seats in my suv.

some times I don't even take it and just use my pankake 11 pound bottle.

throw that in a back seat in a bunch of coats.

or set it in the rear end of my suv.

I have no perment propane hoses or pipes on my teardrop.

my stove this time around will be on a hose and a quick connect conetion to my stove in the my storage drawer.

way simple to shut off the propane and disconnect the bottle and the line from the stove.

most of the time a barbaque bottle just runs my coleman lantern on a propane tree or my propane cameco propane camp fire.

If I don' t take the campfire. I can get by with just a coleman bottle on the stove.

this year with my white gas 200-A coleman lantern I will be ditching my propane one. I don't have the money to refill a propane bottle.

and two gallons of white gas will get me by all summer.

if I do need propane in my green coleman cans i will fill a barbaque bottle with my bulk tank at the house if we have any propane left in it when summer comes after heating the house all winter.

If I have at least 30 percent left on the house bulk tank I can free flow a couple of times a barbaque bottle than that is enough to refill like 10 of my green coleman cans.

I won' t be buying any propane this summer due to the high cost and I think I can make it with 2 cans of white gas so I won't buy any of it either at 9 a gallon.

I did plan my teardrop from the begining to be adaptle for both a barbaque bottle and a green coleman can with OUT any piping or plumbing.

I am running a kiss simple sytem.

in acrodance with normal teardrop desingins.

and I enjoy my no hassle simple world.

a green coleman can on 2 burner drop in the counter top stove will run me at least 4 to 5 camp outs.

and on my coleman propane skillet it will run me at least the same time.

if I am not running to high a fire my propane camp fire will run on a 20 pounder at least 4 hours a night and two to 3 camp outs.

If I go to wood it last longer.

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Postby 48Rob » Wed May 04, 2011 6:58 am

On one of the trailers I built, simplicty was the goal.
I had only a small 2 burner stove, no other gas needs.
Mounting the tank up front, then piping the gas to the back was a lot of extra parts and work not needed (so I discovered after mounting the tank and piping...)

I chose to mount a fitting for a 1 pound disposable bottle, with a separate shut off valve and the regulator hard piped under the galley counter.
I added vents in the floor in case of a leak, and sealed the galley from the cabin so it was air tight/gas tight.
The hatch was always open if the stove was being used...and the vents in the floor along with the galley being isolated from the cabin negated any concerns about a leak.

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Postby slowcowboy » Thu May 05, 2011 8:50 am

love that teardrop rob. I seen it on here a couple of years ago and its propane set up was the insperation for my propane on my teardrop.

and I like the trip in the old ford you took with it. them were great photos!

I looked at your photos you put on here of that teardrop a lot.

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