transporting a green can or coleman bottle on its side.

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Postby Rick G » Fri May 20, 2011 3:01 pm

I've used my Coleman stove with both the long bottle and the fat bottle, for over 10 years , at an angle , with no problems . No where in the literature does it say you can't. I have a propane torch that must be used upside down occasionally, to solder a copper line . No problem there either.
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Postby slowcowboy » Sat May 21, 2011 12:13 am

thanks for the information guys. I leaning toward just the upright quick dis concect set up. I was feeling to see if any one had used it at angle or lying flat down.

I am still undecided on it. I felt there was people out there using it at a angle and lying flat down and felt this was a fuzzy subject so I decided to ask for opions and help on the topic.

I am pretty flat though still at a angle when I tested the bottle to see by eye in the drawer where it would come out.

I thought I was to flat though.

I think I will still go with the upright quick disconnect location. its not to unhandy to use.

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Postby 48Rob » Sat May 21, 2011 8:15 am

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In the last photo, there is an "extra" fitting screwed into the fitting that accepts the 1# bottle.
It serves only to keep dirt and road debris away from the fitting.

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Postby 48Rob » Sat May 21, 2011 8:42 am

I've used my Coleman stove with both the long bottle and the fat bottle, for over 10 years, at an angle, with no problems. No where in the literature does it say you can't. I have a propane torch that must be used upside down occasionally, to solder a copper line. No problem there either.


Rick,

You've been lucky.

I solder with the tank upside down sometimes too, often with no bad results, but sometimes a flare-up will occur.

LP is liquid propane.
The flame you see in your torch is the gas from the liquid propane.
From liquid to gas it expands 270 times, which allows a pretty small volume of liquid to last a long time.

The danger is that liquid may exit the bottle instead of gas.
The gas when burning in your torch shoots out a couple inches, but if liquid comes out instead, if you're lucky and it just spits a drop or two, you have a flare up.
If it shoots a stream, you have a flame thrower which expands outward in all directions, including toward you.

The reason for using/storing a propane tank upright is to allow the pressure relief valve to "be in" the gas area of the tank, so if it needs to vent excess pressure, it vents gas, not liquid propane.

A horizontal propane tank, designed to be stored/used in a horizontal position is designed so that the relief valve "is in" the gas area of the tank.

The little camp stoves that use a disposable bottle at a 45 or so degree angle use the theory that since the bottle is never completely filled, even when used at an angle (up to a point...) the relief valve is always "in" the gas portion of the container.

Can you use a disposable or other propane tank upside down?
Yes, you can, but it isn't very safe.

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Postby dh » Sun May 22, 2011 1:38 am

Thanks for the pics Rob, now I just have two more questions about your set up. First, will your rig allow you to fill a 1lb bottle off the 11lb bottle? Second, how is that 11lb bottle physically mounted to the tongue? I didn't notice that bolt on the bottom untill the second round of pics.
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Postby 48Rob » Sun May 22, 2011 7:35 am

DH,

I've never tried to fill a propane bottle, so can't answer the question.

The tank is mounted to a |__| shaped piece of metal welded to the tongue.
Two bolts, one at each end of the u shaped bar hold the tank.

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Postby slowcowboy » Sun May 22, 2011 7:05 pm

dh i don't think robs set up will allow refilling of the green coleman cans.

they need gravity flow to work and you have to up side down turn a barbaque bottle to get the propane to flow to the smaller green can.

with out a pump to pump the propane you can't really free flow a bottle to re-fill with out a bigger tank higher up in the sytem than the smaller one.

its kinda on the siphoning gas princepal.

robs photos show a sytem that has piping pretty much on the leval side.


Rob whats the 3rd pipe coming down between the piping for the green cans and the 11 pounder bottle on the tonge?

I am going with the hose quick attach set ups on my storage drawer stove set up and the copper line to the stove.

I decide to keep my green cans upright.

I am all done with my piping and hoses and just need to move the green can the hose and the female side of the quick attach into my under the sink storage cabnet.

I will then clamp it in place with a large hose clamp that is sqrewed with a sheet rock sqrew to my side of my wall.

this worked minus the hose and quick attach last two years for the holding down the green coleman can.

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Postby 48Rob » Mon May 23, 2011 7:51 am

It is called a drip leg.
It is there to catch moisture and debris; rust, bits of junk, etc, to keep it out of the orifices in the burners.

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