transporting a green can or coleman bottle on its side.

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Postby kirkman » Sat May 14, 2011 8:34 am

Mine are on there sides. Have been for 4 or 5 years. No problems yet. So I don't see why not.
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Postby 48Rob » Sat May 14, 2011 7:00 pm

Transporting a 1# LP bottle on its side will be fine.
Attempting to use it while anything but nearly upright may be dangerous if liquid propane rather than gas exits the cannister.
I can usually run torches with 1 pound bottles near horizontal before flare ups.

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Postby kirkman » Sun May 15, 2011 7:34 am

I only transport mine that way!:cigar: I use them in a upright position!
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Postby kirkman » Sun May 15, 2011 8:14 am

I think you will be fine with that setup and the green Colman bottle.
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Postby 48Rob » Sun May 15, 2011 6:10 pm

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When my 11# tank runs out of propane, I attach a 1# bottle to an adaptor fitting next to the tank.
The stove and water heater are 10+ feet away.
Everything works just as well as when the 11# tank is full.

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Postby dh » Thu May 19, 2011 11:17 am

Slow, just a thought, you could go with a 5lb bottle, that would take up a lot less room than an 11lb bottle and save a lot of cash over throw away bottles.
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Postby dh » Thu May 19, 2011 11:58 am

48Rob wrote:
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Rob, do you have a better picture of the mount on you 11lb bottle?
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Postby Rick G » Fri May 20, 2011 3:01 pm

I've used my Coleman stove with both the long bottle and the fat bottle, for over 10 years , at an angle , with no problems . No where in the literature does it say you can't. I have a propane torch that must be used upside down occasionally, to solder a copper line . No problem there either.
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Postby 48Rob » Sat May 21, 2011 8:15 am

DH,

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In the last photo, there is an "extra" fitting screwed into the fitting that accepts the 1# bottle.
It serves only to keep dirt and road debris away from the fitting.

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Postby 48Rob » Sat May 21, 2011 8:42 am

I've used my Coleman stove with both the long bottle and the fat bottle, for over 10 years, at an angle, with no problems. No where in the literature does it say you can't. I have a propane torch that must be used upside down occasionally, to solder a copper line. No problem there either.


Rick,

You've been lucky.

I solder with the tank upside down sometimes too, often with no bad results, but sometimes a flare-up will occur.

LP is liquid propane.
The flame you see in your torch is the gas from the liquid propane.
From liquid to gas it expands 270 times, which allows a pretty small volume of liquid to last a long time.

The danger is that liquid may exit the bottle instead of gas.
The gas when burning in your torch shoots out a couple inches, but if liquid comes out instead, if you're lucky and it just spits a drop or two, you have a flare up.
If it shoots a stream, you have a flame thrower which expands outward in all directions, including toward you.

The reason for using/storing a propane tank upright is to allow the pressure relief valve to "be in" the gas area of the tank, so if it needs to vent excess pressure, it vents gas, not liquid propane.

A horizontal propane tank, designed to be stored/used in a horizontal position is designed so that the relief valve "is in" the gas area of the tank.

The little camp stoves that use a disposable bottle at a 45 or so degree angle use the theory that since the bottle is never completely filled, even when used at an angle (up to a point...) the relief valve is always "in" the gas portion of the container.

Can you use a disposable or other propane tank upside down?
Yes, you can, but it isn't very safe.

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Postby dh » Sun May 22, 2011 1:38 am

Thanks for the pics Rob, now I just have two more questions about your set up. First, will your rig allow you to fill a 1lb bottle off the 11lb bottle? Second, how is that 11lb bottle physically mounted to the tongue? I didn't notice that bolt on the bottom untill the second round of pics.
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Postby 48Rob » Sun May 22, 2011 7:35 am

DH,

I've never tried to fill a propane bottle, so can't answer the question.

The tank is mounted to a |__| shaped piece of metal welded to the tongue.
Two bolts, one at each end of the u shaped bar hold the tank.

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Postby 48Rob » Mon May 23, 2011 7:51 am

It is called a drip leg.
It is there to catch moisture and debris; rust, bits of junk, etc, to keep it out of the orifices in the burners.

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