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so i need a sink (updated, now i need a pump)

Postby Lunchbox7985 » Sat May 25, 2013 12:15 pm

so check this out for my design

http://www.tnttt.com/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=55888

i found a 15"x15" bar sink at menards for $30, has 2 holes for the faucet that i think are about 1.5" or 2" (need to go measure them). i'm havig trouble finding a suitable faucet for it. i have found some manual pump faucets that look like they mount to the counter, but then im having trouble finding a sink that doesnt have a little shelf/lip for the faucet to mount to. i saw a post on here about someone using steam table pans for a sink, that might work, but they arent as thick as the actual sink (24 gauge vs 22).

i dont think i can go any bigger than 15 counter depth, but i could go wider by a couple inches if i need to, overall height from counter to top of the faucet needs to be under 5". i dont really mind if its manual pump, electric pump, hand or foot pump, im just using it to wash dishes mostly (although i do want it to be drinkable so i can use it in cooking if i need it.

my main concern is price. i see some rv sinks goin for like $150, and pumps/faucets goin for $75ish, i cant afford that. i dont want it to look really cheap, but i gotta keep this project's price under control. $30 for the sink is awesome, if i could get a faucet that fit in one hole, and a small pump that fit in the other, that would be perfect.

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Re: so i need a sink

Postby 48Rob » Sat May 25, 2013 6:20 pm

If you put your water tank above the sink, you won't need a pump, or faucet...

The Menards bar sink has 4" center holes for a standard lav. or bar faucet.

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Re: so i need a sink

Postby Lunchbox7985 » Sat May 25, 2013 6:34 pm

i was planning on a somewhat shallow cabinet above the sink that when the top was folded down would fit into the top area of where i stand. the majority of the standing space is going to be for storing stuff for travel, like the tent and such, but i doubt i can stack things that tall, so the last few inches of space in that corner would be wasted, i could put a shelf there for the water, and that would simplify things a lot, im gonna keep your idea on the table. but from an asthetic point of view, i think i would rather them be hidden and have a somewhat faucety looking faucet.

id love to have tanks in the floor or in the walls, but i really want to keep it simpler than that. while i am trying to maximize my space, im not feeling like "i can always use more". i need to start framing and get a 1:1 scale look at things, but with my drawings im really happy with the space i have. and if i do find that i need more space after the build, plan b is a roof cargo bag to hold the tent chairs blankets and pillows. that would open up that whole standing area to whatever stuff i need to fit in there that isnt coming to mind at the moment.
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Re: so i need a sink

Postby 48Rob » Sat May 25, 2013 6:39 pm

You can still use a "fancy" faucet with a pump, electric or manual.

I'd suggest a foot operated pump if you go with manual.
I can say from experience that washing dishes while operating a hand pump is tough...

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Re: so i need a sink

Postby Lunchbox7985 » Sat May 25, 2013 6:42 pm

oh, and what sink are you looking at, this is the one i have in mind

http://www.menards.com/main/kitchen/kitchen-sinks/stainless-steel-bar-sink/p-1655156-c-8510.htm

im not married to it, i could just as easily spend a little more on the sink to spend a little less on a faucet. i didnt measure it cuz i figured the info would be online, but i did go see it in the store, and the holes for the faucet were probably around 1.5"-2"

i did find a pump faucet on ebay, i think they said it had a 3" mounting diameter. i really need to go measure this sink, but i may be able to bore the hole a lil bigger.

i dunno, im not saying ive looked all i can and am giving up, just asking for ideas here to speed up the process, so fire away.
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Re: so i need a sink

Postby 48Rob » Sat May 25, 2013 6:53 pm

Almost all bar sinks with two holes are 4" centers.
Most single handle bar or lav faucets are designed to fit a two hole, 4" center sink, or if not, to cover both holes, or have block off plates/caps to cover the unused hole.

3" hole for a faucet is pretty big, do you have a link to the one you saw?

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Re: so i need a sink

Postby Lunchbox7985 » Sat May 25, 2013 9:33 pm

oh you mean the holes are 4" apart on center?

this is what i was looking at, and i was wrong they said 2" hole

http://www.ebay.com/itm/230973533650?item=230973533650&viewitem=&sspagename=ADME:X:RTQ:MOTORS:1123&vxp=mtr
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Postby 48Rob » Sun May 26, 2013 7:41 am

oh you mean the holes are 4" apart on center?

this is what i was looking at, and i was wrong they said 2" hole


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Yes, the holes are 4" on center.

The faucet you linked to, the one in the picture above, could be fitted to a sink, but is generally installed in the countertop.

There are 15 x 15 sinks without faucet holes available.
Most installations in an RV use the existing faucet holes for a regular faucet which supplies city water, and the pump faucet, mounted in the counter, is connected to the onboard tank.
The older campers generally had just a pump, with a plain sink, like this;
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dl ... rid=229466

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Re: so i need a sink

Postby Lunchbox7985 » Sun May 26, 2013 9:17 am

i think ive ruled out conecting to city water, when i was a kid, only one campground we ever went to actually had water hookups. but our popup did support it, the hand pump would work like a normal on/off faucet if you had it hooked up. i thought about getting one of those in-case i ever wanted to get a pump. ive seen some on-demand pumps for pretty cheap. but like a lot of my build, i plan on doing just the basics, then adding the perks later down the road. i dont need to buy the dual burner stove just yet cuz i have a single burner i can use for now, i dont need the fridge im designing around jsut yet cuz i have a smaller spare i can use, etc etc. the pump would be further down the list.

so i guess that means im hunting for a hybrid pump. (sorry, still making decisions as i go)

so now i just have to find out how big those holes are in that sink, and find a hybrid pump that will fit, cuz i dont think that one will work with an electric pump. or find a sink for $30-$50 that will give me enough space to mount a countertop pump.

problem with the sinks, if i cant find it locally, the shipping is usually a deal breaker, that $30 one at menards is a steal compared to most i find online.
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Re: so i need a sink

Postby dlcunningham » Sun May 26, 2013 8:21 pm

Bought my sink yesterday at Wal Mart $17. It's a stainless mixing bowl. It seems heavy and has a good lip for mounting. Plenty wide at the bottom for the drain

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Re: so i need a sink

Postby slowcowboy » Sun May 26, 2013 10:48 pm

plus one on the mixing bowl idea :thumbsup:

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Re: so i need a sink

Postby Lunchbox7985 » Mon May 27, 2013 12:29 am

I like where you're going with this.i need to start thinking outside the box.
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Re: so i need a sink

Postby eamarquardt » Mon May 27, 2013 12:50 am

Why build it in as it limits where you can do your dishes. Also, if you like doing dishes in HOT water with a SS Bowl you can put it on a burner and get the water nice and hot in a jiffy. If the water cools down, back on the burner and it's hot as you like once again. Also, a rounded bowl, like the one pictured, uses less water than a flat bottomed sink rectangular does. Too many advantages to overlook.

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Re: so i need a sink

Postby slowcowboy » Mon May 27, 2013 9:43 pm

just a thought but I wander if this guy has already bought the sink?

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Re: so i need a sink

Postby dlcunningham » Mon May 27, 2013 9:51 pm

I'm not going camping to do dishes. My mixing bowl is 11" diameter and a little over 7" deep. Plenty big for washing spoons, forks, etc. I can wash pots and pans by using the pots & pans as their own sink. I'll either get smaller plates or use paper plates. This isn't a half-cocked idea.
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