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Re: Heating using the hot water tank.

PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2016 3:14 pm
by MtnDon
:thumbsup: :applause:

Re: Heating using the hot water tank.

PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2016 3:46 pm
by Shadow Catcher
Yep merit badge :twisted:
I will be playing with it, I am thinking of using a PWM to regulate pump speed.

Re: Heating using the hot water tank.

PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2016 7:36 am
by Iconfabul8
I just finished reading this whole thread, congratulations on your working confabulations! One question that I still have is, have any of you documented how often the water heater is cycling? How do you think this will affect the longevity of the water heaters? By the way I have a 6 X 12 on order and am looking forward to posting a few pics of my own soon.

Re: Heating using the hot water tank.

PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2016 8:00 am
by Shadow Catcher
Since there are far too many variables as to how much heat will be needed vs insulation and volume of the space to be heated I don't that that can be answered. The water heater however I would think will not be affected a huge amount. Since it is a closed loop scaling should not be significantly increased, the burner is simple and easily replaced, as are the electrical components.

Re: Heating using the hot water tank.

PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 9:18 am
by bonnie
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Re: Heating using the hot water tank.

PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 9:35 am
by lrrowe
Shadow Catcher wrote:Since there are far too man variables as to how much heat will be needed vs insulation and volume of the space to be heated I don't that that can be answered. The water heater however I would think will not be affected a huge amount. Since it is a closed loop scaling should not be significantly increased, the burner is simple and easily replaced, as are the electrical components.



I agree.
And with mine, My very unscientific opinion is that it really does not cycle that much more as there is very little water being circulated. Also the temperature you set your water heater on makes a difference also. I keep mine on the lowest level.

Re: Heating using the hot water tank.

PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2016 1:49 am
by Iconfabul8
I still think someone should be able to count how many times the water heater cycles in an hour vs when the heater isn't running.

Re: Heating using the hot water tank.

PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2016 6:37 am
by lrrowe
For me, it is too warm to fire it up and I know mine works and am not inlined to sit and count. There are also too many variables to consider. Wind, temperatures outside, window or vent openings (amount and frequency) how many people are in the cabin, how big is the circulating fan, what type of heat exchanger are you using, how fast is the fluid flowing and how much volume are we talking. And so fort and so forth. Again for, why bother?

Re: Heating using the hot water tank.

PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2016 9:23 am
by ELM
We'll be in Yellowstone in a week for four days and will be giving our heater a good test. It looks like the temps will be in the 40s and 50s for a high and 20s to 30s for the lows. I will report back to let you guys know how the heater worked and how many times the hot water heater cycled and how often the heater comes on.

Re: Heating using the hot water tank.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 6:24 pm
by lrrowe
ELM wrote:We'll be in Yellowstone in a week for four days and will be giving our heater a good test. It looks like the temps will be in the 40s and 50s for a high and 20s to 30s for the lows. I will report back to let you guys know how the heater worked and how many times the hot water heater cycled and how often the heater comes on.


ELM, how did you make out?
Last week while in hunt camp, I kept mine at 60 F and we were very comfortable. In fact I had to remove my sweats for warmth and open the sleeping bags up with 2 and three persons inside. The temps ran in the 60,s during the day and one night got down to 24 F.

I do need to work on my fan. It is my second (first broke-actually I broke it) one and the same model as ShadowCatcher uses. The air flow seemed a little slow last week. Do not know what the problem, if any, may be.

Re: Heating using the hot water tank.

PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 9:55 pm
by lrrowe
To Shadow Catcher, Mtn Don or anyone else who has tried the hot water tank heater hack for trailer heat, I just had a thought that if I could find a used fantastic fan ceiling pan, that I could use it behind my water radiator to have plenty of variable CFM power. I say "used" because it might get the cost down to a low level as I do not need all the trim, hood and all that.

Do you have any thoughts on this?

Re: Heating using the hot water tank.

PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 11:00 pm
by Shadow Catcher
I used a 100 mm case fan and at seven or eight bucks I do not think you can do much better. you can go to 160 mm if you have that large a radiator. You can vary the speed using a cheap Chinese PMW controller.

Re: Heating using the hot water tank.

PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2016 4:57 pm
by Socal Tom
lrrowe wrote:
ELM wrote:We'll be in Yellowstone in a week for four days and will be giving our heater a good test. It looks like the temps will be in the 40s and 50s for a high and 20s to 30s for the lows. I will report back to let you guys know how the heater worked and how many times the hot water heater cycled and how often the heater comes on.


ELM, how did you make out?
Last week while in hunt camp, I kept mine at 60 F and we were very comfortable. In fact I had to remove my sweats for warmth and open the sleeping bags up with 2 and three persons inside. The temps ran in the 60,s during the day and one night got down to 24 F.

I do need to work on my fan. It is my second (first broke-actually I broke it) one and the same model as ShadowCatcher uses. The air flow seemed a little slow last week. Do not know what the problem, if any, may be.


Can you post some pictures of your setup? Perhaps we can make suggestions on ways to improve the airflow?
Tom

Re: Heating using the hot water tank.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 9:03 pm
by lrrowe
Sure...will do it when I get home after this weekend. I am in Arlington, VA getting ready to help lay reefs at the graves of our fallen heros at Arlington National Cemetery on Saturday.

Re: Heating using the hot water tank.

PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2016 9:07 pm
by bdosborn
lrrowe wrote:
I do need to work on my fan. It is my second (first broke-actually I broke it) one and the same model as ShadowCatcher uses. The air flow seemed a little slow last week. Do not know what the problem, if any, may be.


There are two kinds of PC fans, one that is made to be used in cases with very little air restriction (air flow fan) and one that is made to push air through a radiator (static pressure fan). A case fan won't be able to move much air through a radiator.

Difference between fans linky

Here's the best static pressure fan that all the PC modders use: Noctua Fans. With Noctua, a P in the catalog number indicates it's a pressure fan. Noctua is super quiet and kind of expensive but the high quality makes them worth the price IMHO. I've been building home servers lately and I put them in all my machines.

Bruce