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Good fiberglass/epoxy instructional videos?

Postby Kharn » Mon Aug 11, 2014 9:48 am

Can anyone recommend fiberglass/epoxy tutorial videos on Youtube, etc? I'm a complete newbie to the subject and not sure which ones have good vs poor advice.
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Re: Good fiberglass/epoxy instructional videos?

Postby tony.latham » Mon Aug 11, 2014 10:28 am

Kharn:

Great idea on the Youtube video. I just watched this one with my Monday morning coffee: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsupx-IXOzU and it looked good to me. The wooden-boat guys usually know what they are doing.

I use Raka epoxy and mix using their pumps. I've never had a mixing problem and have gone through three gallons of Raka on various projects. Mix your epoxy in small batches or it will "go off" due to the heat it creates. Don't do it when it's 85º.

If you are going to fiberglass your edges, read Larry C's advice in this thread about cutting your own bias tape strips: viewtopic.php?t=34887&p=633840 He's right on the money. And don't try to do a sharp 90º corner that doesn't have at least a 3/8" beveled edge.

Fiberglass and epoxy is great stuff. :beer:

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Re: Good fiberglass/epoxy instructional videos?

Postby mgb4tim » Mon Aug 11, 2014 1:35 pm

Fibre Glast made a series of videos in the 90's that were pretty informative, and actually showed the process. I have them on VHS somewhere, but I'm pretty sure they are on YouTube.

Try this page - http://www.fibreglast.com/category/Learning_Center.
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Re: Good fiberglass/epoxy instructional videos?

Postby Kharn » Mon Aug 18, 2014 2:30 pm

I watched a few boat building videos and felt brave enough to attempt the fiberglass. It was actually a lot easier than I'd feared and I got two coats of epoxy done in one day. I wanted to do a third (and maybe a fourth) coat but I had no more rollers.

Helpful tools:
-The measuring pumps for your system, don't bother fiberglassing without these as doing it by volume otherwise takes too much time and isn't as accurate.
-Cleaned food-grade containers (stamped recyclable 5/PP) for mixing cups, I used 32oz tubs and thought they were a great size.
-Disposable paint roller trays (also marked recycleable 5/PP) for the roller (both these and the cups can be reused, the epoxy won't stick to them so you can peel the dried epoxy off the next day without cleaning them)
-West 800 roller covers (cut down to 4", have extras beyond what you think you'll need because the epoxy will destroy the roller in ~30 minutes, you'll have to break the covers off the roller with a screw driver at the end of the session),
-Aluminum roller (like this) for pushing down the fiberglass whenever it comes loose from the substrate
-A good pair of steel office scissors, not modern plastic junk, Xacto knife and utility knife for cutting the fiberglass.
-Tiny epoxy syringes, for when you find air bubbles under the fiberglass, drill with a ~3/32" bit and use the syringe to fill bubble.
-500 pack of tongue depressors, cheap mixing sticks.
-Nitrile gloves
-Plastic squeegee for moving excess epoxy around
-A gallon of acetone and a glass mason jar for clean-up and easy brush washing

A few tips I found:
At the end of the day, disassemble the aluminum roller and drop the head in the acetone otherwise it will be a pain to clean later. Run acetone through the syringes multiple times to ensure they're clean (they're cheap, buy like 5 of them just in case).

The fiberglass WILL move on you, it will also stretch if you try to move the wet sheet, leaving wavy edges. Since my tear is going to be painted, I marked the centerline of the tape with a Sharpie whenever it was going over a corner so I had an easy reference point. I also marked the ideal outline of the tape on the tear for another reference line. Leave the fiberglass 1+" long, it will wick some of the excess off and then dry, which you can trim with a knife later much more easily than trying to keep a just-long-enough piece in the right spot. Overlapping and sanding down is much easier than filling a low area. I taped the fiberglass in place using painters' tape. Fold over ~1/4" of the tape to form a pull tab, so it is easier to grab while wearing gloves, hold the fiberglass with one hand while pulling the tape off to prevent distorting it.

I chose to use the dry-layup technique, where I put the fiberglass down and then put the epoxy on top of it, forcing it through the fiberglass and ensuring the glass was completely filled as it was recommended by West for my 105/206 (slow hardener) combination. Some recommend wet-layup where you put down epoxy first and then put the fiberglass on, the problem with this is that the fiberglass will float on the epoxy and does not stick down as nicely. Wet-layup is also much more time limited (have to get the entire lay-up done before the epoxy dries) while the dry lay-up lets you move at your own pace (within limits). Use 5-8 pump batches to have a decent amount of epoxy and enough time to use it all, do one pump of epoxy, then one pump of hardener and go back to the epoxy so you don't lose count and mess up the ratio. Start early in the day so you can get 3+ coats while the epoxy is wet, since if the epoxy dries you need to let it cure completely and then sand before applying another coat. Sanding epoxy, even with an orbital sander, is a gigantic pain.
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Re: Good fiberglass/epoxy instructional videos?

Postby tony.latham » Tue Aug 19, 2014 10:24 am

Isn't that great stuff? Sounds like you did your homework and nailed it.
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Re: Good fiberglass/epoxy instructional videos?

Postby KendaldaCosta » Mon Jan 29, 2018 5:28 pm

tony.latham wrote:Kharn:

Great idea on the Youtube video. I just watched this one with my Monday morning coffee: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsupx-IXOzU and it looked good to me. The wooden-boat guys usually know what they are doing.

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Old thread, but I have a question about this. If I wanted a woody exterior, do I have to use fiberglass? Or can I just use the epoxy by itself?
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Re: Good fiberglass/epoxy instructional videos?

Postby Sparksalot » Mon Jan 29, 2018 5:37 pm

My 2008 tear and 2018 kayak. The tear was sealed with CPES, then finished with spar varnish.

The kayak was just fiberglassed saturday, with 6oz cloth and un-thickened epoxy. I mixed in 8oz batches, and definitely like the pump system for measured mixing.


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Re: Good fiberglass/epoxy instructional videos?

Postby tony.latham » Mon Jan 29, 2018 10:04 pm

KendaldaCosta wrote:
tony.latham wrote:Kharn:

Great idea on the Youtube video. I just watched this one with my Monday morning coffee: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsupx-IXOzU and it looked good to me. The wooden-boat guys usually know what they are doing.

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Old thread, but I have a question about this. If I wanted a woody exterior, do I have to use fiberglass? Or can I just use the epoxy by itself?


Kendal:

In Steve Fredrick's Teardrop Shop Manual, he fiberglasses his woodies. I have not built a woody, but I would glass to ensure the plywood doesn't begin to check. It's not that challenging and it won't break the bank. Bear in mind, epoxy needs to be protected from UV with a spar varnish or similar clear product.

I'm contemplating another build and it might be finished with Monstaliner bedliner. If so, I'll glass it first and I'll do the walls while they are still on the bench.

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Re: Good fiberglass/epoxy instructional videos?

Postby KendaldaCosta » Tue Jan 30, 2018 5:28 pm

tony.latham wrote:
Kendal:

In Steve Fredrick's Teardrop Shop Manual, he fiberglasses his woodies. I have not built a woody, but I would glass to ensure the plywood doesn't begin to check. It's not that challenging and it won't break the bank. Bear in mind, epoxy needs to be protected from UV with a spar varnish or similar clear product.

I'm contemplating another build and it might be finished with Monstaliner bedliner. If so, I'll glass it first and I'll do the walls while they are still on the bench.

Tony


So let's see if i get this. I'd glass/epoxy the walls before I assemble and then I'd do the same to the roof after it's been assembled and hang a bit of glass over the edges to waterproof the seams. Then I would clear coat the entire exterior to protect from UV.
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Re: Good fiberglass/epoxy instructional videos?

Postby tony.latham » Tue Jan 30, 2018 5:42 pm

and hang a bit of glass over the edges to waterproof the seams


That would work if you relieve the corners with a round over bit and use bias fiberglass tape.

Somewhere on this thread bias tape is discussed:

viewtopic.php?t=34887&p=633840

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Re: Good fiberglass/epoxy instructional videos?

Postby daveesl77 » Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:54 am

When I built Conch Fritter I waffled between going the epoxy then poly route or just going multiple layers of poly. In the end I chose just to use the polyurethane. It was a mistake!

I made my cedar strips by cutting down rough cut cedar into 3/16" thick strips. Even though I was very careful on allowing them to dry for a couple of months, a few then changed shape, slightly, after applying them and after a few months in the Florida sun. This has created a maintenance nightmare. This spring I will strip the sides all the way down to bare wood, and redo with epoxy and glass to seal and then poly to cover.

go epoxy then poly when doing a woody, you won't regret it.

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Re: Good fiberglass/epoxy instructional videos?

Postby KendaldaCosta » Wed Jan 31, 2018 1:46 pm

So I just epoxy/glass the exterior? Or do I have to do inside and out?
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Re: Good fiberglass/epoxy instructional videos?

Postby tony.latham » Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:03 pm

KendaldaCosta wrote:So I just epoxy/glass the exterior? Or do I have to do inside and out?


Just outside.

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Re: Good fiberglass/epoxy instructional videos?

Postby Sparksalot » Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:24 pm

I can't see any reason to do the cabin side. Be sure to hit the galley however.
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Re: Good fiberglass/epoxy instructional videos?

Postby tony.latham » Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:52 pm

Be sure to hit the galley however.


Why inside the galley?

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