5x8 on a HF 4x8 Frame

Jwh92020

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For those of you that built 5x8s on a Harbor Freight 4x8 trailer, did you go over the wheels (deck over) or did you incorporate the fenders or create wheel wells inside the cabin? Pics of the platform would be great. Thank you.
 
Unless you raise the deck a couple inches off the frame, you'll have to cut the deck and build or add fenders.

I found a pair of plastic fenders I could use and notched the walls to accommodate them. Looks OK but it might have been easier to build something.
 
Unless you raise the deck a couple inches off the frame, you'll have to cut the deck and build or add fenders.

I found a pair of plastic fenders I could use and notched the walls to accommodate them. Looks OK but it might have been

My local HF store has an assembled trailer on display. Unfortunately, it's folded up against a wall with so much crap stacked around it that I can't get to it to measure how much the tire sticks up past the frame. I like the deck over idea so I'm not dealing with interior wheel wells.
 
I just looked at my drawings and the trailer. The width from the outer surfaces of the tires is just over 60" and the tires were an inch or two above the frame rails. That's with the bare frame. So you have to figure wheel travel plus however lower the whole trailer sits from just dead weight. I have enough room for 4" travel with my fenders.

I remember why I went through the trouble of building the fenders into the trailer sides.....
 
Thank you for the #s. I think building a 4+" high deck to clear the wheels is a lot of space to give up.
 
Thank you for the #s. I think building a 4+" high deck to clear the wheels is a lot of space to give up.
It really puts a kitchen counter high if you have a cooler under the counter. I guess the kitchen area doesn't have to be same height.
 
I've seen some pictures on here where they did a deck over without 2x4s on edge. I just can't find them.
 
My TD was began as a wagon box 16" tall on a 4x8 frame. Later I expanded it to 5'3"x8 by adding full-length "saddleboxes" on either side, 7.5" wide and enclosing the fenders. They run from the bottom edge of the frame to the top edge of the wagon box.
 
My TD was began as a wagon box 16" tall on a 4x8 frame. Later I expanded it to 5'3"x8 by adding full-length "saddleboxes" on either side, 7.5" wide and enclosing the fenders. They run from the bottom edge of the frame to the top edge of the wagon box.
I like that. If you are camping solo, 4' width is plenty. A little tight for two...

A HF 4x8 trailer is what it is and you have to work around it.

You could build a 4' x 6' box, put your deck on top but have removable panels in your floor to access the cavity below it for storage. Not the easiest to get to with your mattress on top but clothes will fit in that area. You could then drop the deck back down to the frame for the galley area.

Notching the deck and building fenders is probably easier in the long run.
 
In case it adds to the conversation.. I ran out and did some measurements on my 1200lb rated 4x8 folder. Keep in mind it is probably over 15 years old and has seen a ton of use and abuse. So there may be some sagging due to age, as well as possible design changes over the years (though I'm not aware of any on the 1200lb one).

The top of the frame to the top of the factory fenders is almost exactly 2.5"

The outer edge of the fender is about 7.5" out from the frame. They overhang the widest portion of the tire sidewall by about an inch. Though this was a rough static measurement on only one side. There will be some side-side play in the spring mounting.

The side frame rails are slightly under 3.25". They are taller than the cross rails so they can nest in to bolt in place. The cross rails are a little over 2.75". I think the frame is a little different on the heavier duty version though.

Some changes I noticed over the years:

The original 1700lb rated trailer had stake pocket holes cut into the frame, a round tube axle, and a bit upgraded tongue bars/mounting. Higher rated tires, 5 lug hubs/wheels.

The 1200lb rated one had stake brackets that you bolted to the side, a square C-channel axle, and the rear tongue mounts were just welded on tabs basically. 4-lug hubs/wheels and lower rated tires.

It looks like the 1700lb rated one now has the same stake brackets, a square tube axle (doesn't appear to be C-channel). While maintaining the upgraded wheels/tires and tongue bars/mounting. I believe they used the same fenders and fender brackets across all versions/years. But they could have mounted higher up on the frame on some versions. A detail that would be hard to detect unless you had both right next to each other.

I actually purchased one of the original 1700lb kits, unassembled, from someone off craigslist. I ended up using the frame steel to build my current trailer project. I planned to use the rest of the parts to upgrade the 1200lb frame, but I have yet to get around to it.
 
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I like that. If you are camping solo, 4' width is plenty. A little tight for two...

A HF 4x8 trailer is what it is and you have to work around it.

You could build a 4' x 6' box, put your deck on top but have removable panels in your floor to access the cavity below it for storage. Not the easiest to get to with your mattress on top but clothes will fit in that area. You could then drop the deck back down to the frame for the galley area.

Notching the deck and building fenders is probably easier in the long run.
I'm starting to think you may be right.
 
In case it adds to the conversation.. I ran out and did some measurements on my 1200lb rated 4x8 folder. Keep in mind it is probably over 15 years old and has seen a ton of use and abuse. So there may be some sagging due to age, as well as possible design changes over the years (though I'm not aware of any on the 1200lb one).

The top of the frame to the top of the factory fenders is almost exactly 2.5"

The outer edge of the fender is about 7.5" out from the frame. They overhang the widest portion of the tire sidewall by about an inch. Though this was a rough static measurement on only one side. There will be some side-side play in the spring mounting.

The side frame rails are slightly under 3.25". They are taller than the cross rails so they can nest in to bolt in place. The cross rails are a little over 2.75". I think the frame is a little different on the heavier duty version though.

Some changes I noticed over the years:

The original 1700lb rated trailer had stake pocket holes cut into the frame, a round tube axle, and a bit upgraded tongue bars/mounting. Higher rated tires, 5 lug hubs/wheels.

The 1200lb rated one had stake brackets that you bolted to the side, a square C-channel axle, and the rear tongue mounts were just welded on tabs basically. 4-lug hubs/wheels and lower rated tires.

It looks like the 1700lb rated one now has the same stake brackets, a square tube axle (doesn't appear to be C-channel). While maintaining the upgraded wheels/tires and tongue bars/mounting. I believe they used the same fenders and fender brackets across all versions/years. But they could have mounted higher up on the frame on some versions. A detail that would be hard to detect unless you had both right next to each other.

I actually purchased one of the original 1700lb kits, unassembled, from someone off craigslist. I ended up using the frame steel to build my current trailer project. I planned to use the rest of the parts to upgrade the 1200lb frame, but I have yet to get around to it.
If the 1750 lb. trailer w/12" wheels has a ground to top of frame measurement of 18", to build a deck over platform, one would need a 1/2" plywood bottom, 2 1/2" of "framing (2x3s on edge) and another 1/2" plywood for the floor of the cabin. That puts ground to subfloor height at 21 1/2". Depending on mattress thickness, sitting in the door with your feet touching the ground could/would be an issue. The top of my home mattress is 24" above the floor. I can sit comfortably on it and have my feet flat on the floor (I'm 5'7"). Any higher and I don't think I'd be comfortable. Might be able to use a 4" mattress in the trailer and still touch the ground, but I don't think I'd sleep well on it. My last cargo trailer conversion I built had a 6" memory foam mattress and that was good sleeping. The fold down bed platform was 14" above the floor, so sitting was pretty comfortable too. Thinks for all the input.
 
Yeah that will be a personal preference thing. I like a nice firm mattress. I realy don't care for memory foam, so standard firm foam for me (once it has broken in).. Since you don't sink into firm material as much I can get away with a thinner mattress that way.
 
Technically I did both! The initial build was 5' wide and I built over the stock fenders. Yes, I had to custom fit the 5' x 8' decking over the fenders by incorporating some "indentions" in the decking for each fender top. Fast forward to a refurbish in 2022, I made a new axle to extend the wheels and fenders outside the 5' camper body and add Flexi-ride torsion half-axles to improve the ride. Check out my build on Instructables for that. Typing in "DJ Davis; home built teardrop camper" should bring you to the link.
 
Technically I did both! The initial build was 5' wide and I built over the stock fenders. Yes, I had to custom fit the 5' x 8' decking over the fenders by incorporating some "indentions" in the decking for each fender top. Fast forward to a refurbish in 2022, I made a new axle to extend the wheels and fenders outside the 5' camper body and add Flexi-ride torsion half-axles to improve the ride. Check out my build on Instructables for that. Typing in "DJ Davis; home built teardrop camper" should bring you to the link.
Cool. Thank you
 
Might be able to use a 4" mattress in the trailer and still touch the ground, but I don't think I'd sleep well on it.

Here's my thoughts on teardrops: They are more or less a bed on wheels with a galley in the back.

Why trailer a lousy bed? Our mattress is as good as it gets, and that's the way sleep should be. 5" of medium density with 3" of memory foam bonded to it.

Tony
 
Here's my thoughts on teardrops: They are more or less a bed on wheels with a galley in the back.

Why trailer a lousy bed? Our mattress is as good as it gets, and that's the way sleep should be. 5" of medium density with 3" of memory foam bonded to it.

Tony
I wasn't talking about a fold down bed in a TD. That was in a 7x12 cargo trailer conversion.
 

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