Lifting roof XPStream - making improvements

Sloooow progress due to stepping back, thinking about how to shape, clamp, glueup, and make it work.

Front wall panel is clamped and glued to match front curve floor and I am happy with the curved length and kerfing, it is where it should be 8) .

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OP827":3m74miel said:
KCStudly":3m74miel said:
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Not sure if the stripper foamie has been done yet, but it certainly was discussed. No reason it can't work.
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Once I start looking into the foam strip planking building method, I found a few links. While this method maybe new to trailer build, it is not [completely] new to a boat building:
http://www.farriermarine.com/pdf/Foamstr.pdf
http://www.westsystem.com/ss/assets/Uploads/Foam-Strip-Plank.pdf

Boldly lead on! :pictures: With no one for you to learn from but your own trials, we'll allow you false paths and mistakes and try to encourage you on!

The methods of "strip planking" in the links seem to more resemble "cold-molding", in that the thickness of the strip is much less than the width of the strip.

Consider this cold-molding technique if the 2" thick-and-narrow strip method becomes impractical. May need no sanding to speak of. I've found cold molding to be faster and simpler than the thick-and-narrow strip method for gentle curves using rather wide, flexible, thin strips to "plank" each layer. But my experience is only at model scale using both methods.

Cold-molding the thin sheets requires a form, and key is clamping the layers; heavy blankets may be enough for the foam? Say four layers of 1/2" foam sheet. Bottom layer from say 8" wide strips run crosswise across the trailer on a foam-form-grid. Next layer from say 8" wide strips running -45 glued over the first layer. Next layer of say 8” wide strips running +45 glued over the prior two layers. Top layer lengthwise carefully fit edge-to-edge by trimming widths of the NEXT installed strip toward the ends, using the edge of the PRIOR installed strip as your guide.

Alternatively, 2” thick-and-narrow strip construction requires kerfs plus some keen and compound angles to be cut along the strip edges?

Finally, (my favorite due to simple construction but difficult shape lay out), three or more cylindric/flat sections (similar to your design before adding conics) butted at say 10 degree crown angle may be easiest? The inside joints aren't too bad, but the flare-out of the sides and the ends are a little dicey to get right...but as drawn, the roof has four identical "edges"; go ahead and kerf/model one "edge", say 3" wide, and hold it up to your beautiful walls and see what goes and what gives?
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Here is the wikipedia "boat building" explanation for cold molding..."Cold-Molding is a composite method of wooden boat building that uses 2 or more layers of thin wood, called veneers, oriented in different directions, resulting in a strong monocoque structure, similar to a fibreglass hull but substantially lighter. Usually composed of a base layer of strip planking followed by multiple veneers, cold-molding is popular in small, medium and very large, wooden super-yachts. Using different types of wood the builder can lighten some areas such as bow and stern and strengthen other high stress areas. Sometimes cold molded hulls are protected either inside or out or both with fibreglass or similar products for impact resistance especially when lightweight, soft timber such as cedar is used. This method lends itself to great flexibility in hull shape."

You could foam-grid the interior and ply away at thin flexible layers using this method?

I'm out of ideas! :baby:
 
OP827":yqfv1due said:
Sloooow progress due to stepping back, thinking about how to shape, clamp, glueup, and make it work.

Front wall panel is clamped and glued to match front curve floor and I am happy with the curved length and kerfing, it is where it should be 8) .

Beautiful work! :applause:
 
Thanks for encouragement and support Bluebunny.
I am thinking of the ideas you mentioned above. Once the front panel is dried, I'll start on the roof part. I lean towards foam strip planking along the trailer length... Stay tuned. :)
 
A picture of frontal assembly before it will be split into upper and lower parts...

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Glued up front wall today. Slow, but some progress is better than no progress.
Took me some time to figure out how to clamp the panels.

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Thanks KC for support.
Cut the front section into two for lower and lifting part and continued to laminating the wall with interior birch plywood. At first panel I used TB2 but on the second bigger one decided to go with epoxy due to longer working time. It takes some time to clamp the plywood especially for the bigger section I did today.
Previously during the week I worked on front section compartment that will have separate isolated and vented outside space for propane bottle and two other separate compartments for 12V batteries. There will be interior shelf by panoramic window above the compartment. Three storage compartments with access from inside. Electrical boxes should go inside battery compartments. The front compartment dry fit picture is below. The arrangement will fit inside the lower front wall section I am laminating now.

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Front compartment fitted up and ready for glueup. Strong and light structure.

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Looking good! :thumbsup:

One little (?) concern. If the upper and lower front wall sections are made to the exact same profile (plan view) how will the lower section be able to nest inside of the upper section? Doesn't the upper section need to be wider and push out more in the front? ... or do you plan to split it open and add some strips to compensate?

Have you tried test fitting them together yet?
 
Finished the front glue up using thickened epoxy today. Used some epoxy "welding" technique inside storage compartments for strength and air isolation from propane tank and batteries compartments. There were some tricky fits and angles to accomodate, so it took me somewhat longer time to finish. I am glad to be done with this difficult (for me) part :wine: .

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KCStudly":29f2mlk8 said:
Looking good! :thumbsup:

One little (?) concern. If the upper and lower front wall sections are made to the exact same profile (plan view) how will the lower section be able to nest inside of the upper section? Doesn't the upper section need to be wider and push out more in the front? ... or do you plan to split it open and add some strips to compensate?

Have you tried test fitting them together yet?

The concept has changed. I spent A LOT of time thinking of the vertical and horizontal weather seals with this design and I think I got it, but real prototype testing will tell.
 
Went back yesterday and today to finish the floor outside surface with a second coat of epoxy and then I added stiffeners in walking areas as just a good measure. I will coat the outside with black urethane paint I got from ecostation for free and then I will turn it over and fix to the frame with bolts ... finally.
Plan to do finish the above and make wheel wells this weekend and then it will be walls time :FNP.

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Thank you Bluebunny.
Floor exterior is coated with oil based urethane glossy black.
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Made wheel wells today out of 1/2" birch plywood. Rabbeted joints for precision and strength.

All panels are cut and rabbeted:

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Right wheel well being dry fit:

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Dry fit:

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I plan to glue and laminate the wells with fiberglass inside without being installed in place.
Will install them in place at the same time with walls to avoid any issues with the fit.
Cheers! :beer:
 
Nice! Looks like good clearance. When the axel lifts from weight and bumps, does it swing a little rearward in addition to up? The issue of clearance has me a little concerned on my design, as i have read of several builds that have given trouble?
 
I really like your deck edge flanges. Good stiffeners. I believe that i will beg/borrow your approach on my stitch-and-glue design to simplify construction - in boat terms, as an external chine log. :wine:
 
Bluebunny":2gfk4902 said:
Nice! Looks like good clearance. When the axel lifts from weight and bumps, does it swing a little rearward in addition to up? The issue of clearance has me a little concerned on my design, as i have read of several builds that have given trouble?
I was also thinking of it. Side clearance is ok(?) at 1-1/8" on outside (tire agains outside wall) edge, BTW it is the same or bigger than it was originally with stock metal wells from manufacturer (Coleman), it is a tent trailer frame that I have recycled. It does swing back and there is much more clearance in the back to allow for that. I used all clearance that is in front and behind at the steel frame with no wood being proud to inside the well. The plywood only starts above steel frame elements and it is flush with steel under it, so if tire blows out, it will hit steel as well and slide on plywood with hopefully minimal destruction. If I see any issues with tire being too close to the wall and well outside, It will later cut out a curve above the tire in the side wall and wheel well and laminate the edge with plywood and then fiberglass. That should take care of any clearance issues then.
 

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