Lifting roof XPStream - making improvements

[OP827]

I really like your deck edge flanges. Good stiffeners. I believe that i will beg/borrow your approach on my stitch-and-glue design to simplify construction - in boat terms, as an external chine log.

Thanks, the reason I did these stiffeners and edges is that the deck is proud of the frame at 1" outside and also this edging will be added with 1/8" birch plywood strip that will be extented down to conseal the frame and then up to be glued to the walls in order to provide for stronger wall to floor connection. It will all be laminated with fiberglass, that is why this edge strips weres not coated with black urethane yet. It works quite well as the deck is positively fixed in its designed position on the frame having the edge strips all around the steel frame with no gaps.

 

[OP827]

Finished street wall assembly and lamination with 3mm baltic birch with TB2 today.

Dry fit assembled wall before gluing with interior plywood:

View from the side:

And it is now glued up with 3mm plywood on the inside and pressed down with estimated 1500lbs of stones and stuff and left to dry until tomorrow:

That is all for now.

 

[KCStudly]

Big milestone, I'd say.

 

[OP827]

Thanks KC. I am freeing up some space in my garage today, building more shelves where I can store trailer parts and panels I built until the assembly time and also for some materials to be out of the way. Just tired to re-arrange and move stuff and tools every time I need to use a table saw or a planner or to glue-up a part. Hope it will save me time in a long run, the shelves have taken so far this afternoon. Hope to finish them early tomorrow and get back to gluing up trailer walls. Purchased 6 gallons kit of epoxy yesterday.. so getting ready to glue the plywood and fiberglass with it.

EDIT: the shelves built out of recycled boards from backyard deck. Now back to clearing up space and trailer build..

Another EDIT:
Being able to get organized with space feels so much better, I wish I did this shelf long time ago. Now I have more space around the trailer to actually build it . I will store all the prefabricatedand glassed walls on this shelf until the time of assembly. One wall and kitchen cabinet panels are done, bath, another wall, back, the door, the lifting roof are to come. Lots to make, but now it should be quicker, safer, easier with more space.

 

[OP827]

Curb side wall assembled, added with embeded wood, and laminated with plywood using epoxy this time. I like epoxy better to work with than TB2 for laminating large plywood panels, it gives me more time to spread the resin and position and clamp panels. Lots ot stones to lift and place. It was relatively good and productive day by my hobby standards.

 

[OP827]

Since I will need 14ft long wood stringers to build some edges and I only have 8ft pine and yellow birch, I had to make a 1:10 scarfing joint jig. Did it this evening, spent probably 3 hours on figuring out the details and making it.
The sliding guide was made slightly narrower to have a little side play in the table saw groove so that when the cut is done the jig can be pushed against the blade. After the cut is finished the jig is pulled away from the blade so that the cut remains as precise as possible, I found that advice on the web and it does work well to protect the very thin scarfing cut from the saw blade play. I also added an angled handle of my own idea with a blade safeguard so that the scarfing action can be done safer, more precise and comfortable. It was simple and quick to make out of scrap materials at hand and easy to make the scarfing cuts upto 3.25" high with 10" table saw. Cheers!

 

[OP827]

I was making some progress. Below is a dry fit.

 

[Bluebunny-TNT]

Nice, OP! Getting the pieces together really starts showing the concept. It's going to be standy AND roomy, and will still fit into your garage! Awesome

 

[OP827]

THanks Bluebunny for kind words, that is the plan at least.

Covered first panel outside surface with epoxy and 6oz fibeglass cloth this evening. Quite happy with the quality glassing outcome.
Was a very easy job by having the panel in horizontal position. I plan to cover all panels first and then assemble the walls and then cover panel seams with FG tape.

 

[KCStudly]

Looks super!

 

[mikeschn]

It's huge!!! But I'll bet it's light!!!

Mike...

 

[OP827]

Thanks Mike and KC for your support, it means a lot to me. Yes it is big because that was what my family members wanted. Yet the walls and front I can lift either with one or two hands, so I hope it will be light when it is done, the pine stock I am using is surprisingly very light too. So I made some more progress today, finished glassing wheel wells and more importantly flipped the front part and fibeglassed the whole thing and it was again an easy job having gravity on my side. I first faired the surface with epoxy and microballs mix to fix all holes and dings and while it was still wet I cut the FG cloth and started glassing. it went very well, just a little tired by the end of the day today. Thanks for reading.

I think I have to add a second layer of FB in the front area where the road chips may hit, what do you all think?

 

[Bluebunny-TNT]

I think I have to add a second layer of FB in the front area where the road chips may hit, what do you all think?

Another layer will add weight and labor, I wonder what additional protection it will add? A 24" wide sheetof aluminum might be N alternate. I wonder how punch resistant your single layer provides? Maybe instead consider epoxy resin repairs as the holes occur?

I would plan on extra glass in the areas of the skin receiving of torsional stress while on the road...

 

[OP827]

Not much added weight really, about 0.35kg, but it adds strength a lot, it can take a light hammer hit and it will not punch through, but leave a good mark of course. It was almost as long to post this note as I did a second layer in the chips area, so not much of labor, cheers and thanks for looking!

 

[OP827]

Continued laminating walls exterior with FG/epoxy. All lower side walls are laminated and front finished with FG as well.
This photo below is just for record where the back wall wiring for marker and clearance lights is located. First wiring work on the trailer, is that a sign of progress?
This wiring side is now glued to plywood to complete the back wall panel.
Many little details here and there, adding the wheel wells area with coats of resin so they can be assembled with walls.
I plan to start permanent assembly of lower walls this week to enable work on the lifting roof next.

I am thinking of not using epoxy for laminating folding walls, they are plenty strong as is and they are only exposed to weather when camping, sooo... I think I can use either TB2 with FG or acrylic primer and paint inside and outside the folding walls I want to save the epoxy for the roof part instead. Oh, I will build and laminate the roof first and then make this decision.

Thanks for looking.

 

[noseoil]

Just wanted to say how well this one is going. The fiberglass is really turning out nicely & I like how you're working the panels & letting gravity help with the work. The finish work & sanding will take some time, but it's going to look great when it's painted. Are you planning on building the cabinets first, then assembling the walls around them, or is there room to slide things in place once the walls are all fastened? Best, tim

 

[dales133]

Great design and coming on very well.
Enjoying watching it except it makes me feel like a slacker!

 

[daveesl77]

This is an outstanding concept and build! It is really coming together nice! What great ideas.

dave

 

[OP827]

Dales133, Dave, thanks a lot for kind words and encouragement!

Tim, thanks! To answer your question, it really does not matter as there is enough space inside to install cabinets after without much effort with walls installed first, especially also having the removable roof, but I am contemplating to install the cabinets at the same time as walls so everything matches and square, will see, I may decide to install walls square and go to building the roof so the trailer is towable. I actually already build the bed and dinette sides, front frame and sides of kitchen cabinets, but after latest considerations of inside space I will be reducing the kitchen depth and height to have more space to move inside. I am also not decided on details of bathroom wall and dinette sitting interface with entry door and wall area, so that slows me down a lot. All electrical will be running inside the trailer cabinetry, at least that is the plan. In a few places I plan to use plastic channel that will be blended in the interior detail to be not noticeable.

So today I finished the back wall lamination and there are some pictures with more detail how it was done since I did not describe that before.

The panel was sanded, some small penetration holes done to improve on lamination strength (see more on it below) and cleaned, fiberglass cut to size and layed down on the panel:

I mixed epoxy in two big batches of a full cup to speed up the process as there is no need for epoxy to be in a pot, so no risk of it going off, i.e. once it is mixed for 1-1.5 minutes, I just poored the epoxy down on the cloth and used polyurethane spreader to distribute the epoxy. The whole process of pooring epoxy probably took about 10-15 minutes and rest of about an hour maybe was for squeezing it down and working details on the edges and around wiring holes. Wires were just hidden inside the holes in form of spiral to not interfere with the lamination. I now had a good feel for how much epoxy I'll need to finish off the panel since I already laminated all other panels, so this time it took these two big batches. Here is the finished laminated panel waiting for epoxy to set, It will take about 5 hours and then I can take a utility knife and clean the edges, so that will be done later this afternoon.

Here is a cloesup of the panel edge. Since it is a back panel the vertical edge was rounded with a router bit, fiberglass is laying well with this radius. Surface overall is pretty good and true. only a finish fill of epoxy either with squeege or roller will be needed before the paint. Almost no sanding is required, just knock off the whatever is pocking out a little bit.

Another closeup to show these small penetration holes I did to mitigate delamination issues some people are reporting on their builds. The holes are about 1/8-1/4" deep and made with a simple tool.

And there are some tools used for the process. Polyurethane squeege/spreader, scissors, and the penetration tool. The penetration tool is made of scrap wood strip, I shot some brad nails through it. I just press this tool against the foam panel and move a bit and then press again to make the holes pattern you see above. It takes a few minutes to make all the holes in the panel, I just did not want to order and wait for the wallpaper removal roller that others are using on this forum and this little tool worked for me so I continued using it.

Now back to thinking of how to make internal walls and things.

Thanks for looking,

Oleg

 

[OP827]

I ran into some minor issue with lamination of last back wall panel since I tried to do it faster than others. The tiny holes from penetration tool were usually first filled with either epoxy or epoxy and microballs mix before the FG cloth and everything was ok with these tiny holes, no issues - see the first photo below.

Last panel I did not do that, I just made these penetration holes and dropped the cloth and started laminating and then after some time, in a few spots were the epoxy was not poured excesively on the cloth, these little whitish areas appeared under the cloth - see second photo.
It is most likely because the epoxy went down these little holes and left cloth above starved without epoxy.

To fix this, I will sand the panel and impregnate cloth with epoxy once again, not a big isssue, but since I described the last panel method lamination in the previous post, I wanted to mention it here so that you, the reader would know and aware of it. Other than that, everything is good.