Replacing a flexible solar panel on a teardrop camper

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A member noticed their teardrop’s solar system was not keeping up during a nearly month-long Four Corners trip and initially traced the problem to a roof-mounted 100-watt Renogy flexible panel, while the 30-watt tongue-box panel still produced power. The newer 100Ah lithium battery and AiLi battery meter helped them finish the trip with power remaining, where the older AGM setup likely would have been a problem.

The member replaced the panel with another Renogy flexible panel, trimming the...
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Tony Latham

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Every spring, we do a nearly month-long trip to the Four Corners.

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But this year, I noticed our solar system wasn't keeping up with our usage (based on our AiLi battery meter).

When I built this teardrop in 2019, I installed a 30-watt panel on the tongue box and a 100-watt panel on the roof. Using a towel, I determined that the little panel was still producing, but the larger panel's ghost had departed our campsite. Fortunately, our electrical needs are low, and I had replaced the old lead-acid battery with a 100-amp lithium battery before the trip. After three weeks, we still had 35 amps in the battery–if we'd had the old AGM, we would have had a problem and probably would have to had cut our trip short.

I designed the roof around a 100-watt flexible solar panel from Renogy, and that's the one that failed.

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The panel was attached using the six grommet holes that it came with and a line of Lexel under the leading edge. I adjusted the spar placement to match the grommets and moved the fan an inch to the passenger side to allow for panel width.

While on the trip, I started shopping for a new panel. I looked at BougeRV's ETFE flexibles, but they're too wide by a mile. You might think it odd, but once again, I chose a flexible panel from Renogy. They are made with ETFE fiberglass instead of the cheaper PET plastic, and those things are famous for lasting about three years.

Hopefully, this one will go beyond 7 years.

The problem with the new Renogy flexible panels is that they weren't designed around my roof. They are shorter and about an inch wider.

Fortunately, the material around the cells is about 2 inches wide and easily trimmed with a penny cutter.

In this photo, you can see the notch cut around the fan and the third brake light.

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The next problem was the location of the grommets; the front and center were not set over my spars. I had to add three grommets to address that issue. Easy-peasy.

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The last problem was that there was no meat to attach the front-inward corner of the panel. No wood to screw to.

My 'fix' was to print off a 3D printed bracket that uses the fan screws to hold this down. For you 3D printer folks, I used PETG filament and spray-painted it to protect it from UV rays. (I also added about an inch of Lexel under the center of the leading edge.)

I think it's a fine solution.

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Anywho... Flame's solar system is up and running again. I just need to clean up a bit of Lexel sealant that I used to glue down the leading edge of the old panel. That stuff, by the way, is great.

Tony
 
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"The Death of a Solar Panel", on first blush I thought you were announcing the title of your next book. LOL. Kidding. Replacement install looks great.
 
Besides, Tony's next book has to be "Eleven" something! (Progressive odd numbers.)

Glad you didn't have to cut your trip short, Tony, and that you have a good replacement/fix to the panel failure. Don't forget to re-calibrate the AiLi meter--which was my mistake last year (and something I still haven't corrected).

BTW, did you look over the dead panel to see if the failure point was obvious? The solar to electrical parts should degrade gracefully (based on my limited knowledge and what my satellite building friends tell me) so it may have been a break in the part that connects to the silicon.

I'm eagerly awaiting the failure of our PET encapsulated solar panel, which hasn't yet, mainly because we keep it folded when not in use, and we only unfold it at non-shore powered sites and to clean it. Once it fails, I want to cut it open and check my theory that the solar panel itself is fine under the plastic when PET panels fail.

Tom
 
I hope I'm wrong on your panel. How old is it?

Tony
About 7 years. I haven't measured it lately to see if the electrical output is waning, though it seemed fine as long as we didn't have trees in the way. It never matched the advertised spec. anyway. I should have tried tracking that better, but it's not easy to get a consistent test. On the other hand, we aren't critically dependent on power (no CPAP, or other critical needs) so I've been a little sloppy about the whole thing.

BTW, as I'm thinking about it, the main need for recalibrating the AiLi meter is a change (and degradation) of battery, so you may not need it.

Tom
 
BTW, as I'm thinking about it, the main need for recalibrating the AiLi meter is a change (and degradation) of battery, so you may not need it.

I don't think so since my battery is six months old, but I'm sure glad I have one. We would have been in trouble without it.

It should be illegal to own a teardrop without that meter. :LOL:

Tony
 
BTW, did you look over the dead panel to see if the failure point was obvious?

Well.....

I just laid it on my tailgate and gave it a quick lookover. Nothing. So I got my ohmmeter out and stuck the prongs into the wires. 21.4 volts.

Wha?

Go figure. I tested it before I pulled it and got nothing. I'm now wondering whether I had the meter on the 20-volt setting or the 200-volt setting? And I'm doubly wondering if I just had a bad connection.

Or did the panel have a short while slightly flexed???

Anywho, I've got a brand-spanking new panel and an old mystery.

Tony
 
Well.....

I just laid it on my tailgate and gave it a quick lookover. Nothing. So I got my ohmmeter out and stuck the prongs into the wires. 21.4 volts.

Wha?

Go figure. I tested it before I pulled it and got nothing. I'm now wondering whether I had the meter on the 20-volt setting or the 200-volt setting? And I'm doubly wondering if I just had a bad connection.

Or did the panel have a short while slightly flexed???

Anywho, I've got a brand-spanking new panel and an old mystery.

Tony
If it proves good, pick up another controller and have a battery charger for around the ranch.
 
Well.....

I just laid it on my tailgate and gave it a quick lookover. Nothing. So I got my ohmmeter out and stuck the prongs into the wires. 21.4 volts.

Wha?

Go figure. I tested it before I pulled it and got nothing. I'm now wondering whether I had the meter on the 20-volt setting or the 200-volt setting? And I'm doubly wondering if I just had a bad connection.

Or did the panel have a short while slightly flexed???

Anywho, I've got a brand-spanking new panel and an old mystery.

Tony
Hmm. At least that's information in case the new panel "goes bad" suddenly.

Maybe you can match the flex by laying it on top of the tear with weights? Anyway, don't throw it away yet!

Tom
 
Tell that to my wife. :oops:

Tony
That's funny to Shelly and me in a way you and Steph may not realize (or care, now that I think about it). :) We decided she married me because I remind her of her father. For one thing, we were/are both pack rats.

When cleaning out my in-laws house a few months ago, I agreed to take all the electronics in her late Dad's shop and buy all of the tools, to help out Shelly's mother with expenses until we actually sell the house. Great, except for the past two months our own basement storage and workshop have been too full to actually do any work in!

About 20 tower computers (good for the power supplies and probably nothing else). All sorts of audio computer recording equipment that was state of the art in 2000. A bunch of US made Craftsman, Williams, and Proto wrenches and other tools, but also a whole bunch of Harbor Freight junk from before HF tools became...ahem... better. You get the idea. Worth sorting through for the gems, but we've been busy on the house itself, so ... Oh! Sorry, I just went on a rant! Didn't mean to hijack your thread Tony! A thousand pardons (which I put in a plastic bin, right underneath the 1000 PS2 computer cables). :)

Anyway, I would find a way to save the solar panel, but have zero credibility in those matters.

Tom
 
That's funny to Shelly and me in a way you and Steph may not realize (or care, now that I think about it). :) We decided she married me because I remind her of her father. For one thing, we were/are both pack rats.

When cleaning out my in-laws house a few months ago, I agreed to take all the electronics in her late Dad's shop and buy all of the tools, to help out Shelly's mother with expenses until we actually sell the house. Great, except for the past two months our own basement storage and workshop have been too full to actually do any work in!

About 20 tower computers (good for the power supplies and probably nothing else). All sorts of audio computer recording equipment that was state of the art in 2000. A bunch of US made Craftsman, Williams, and Proto wrenches and other tools, but also a whole bunch of Harbor Freight junk from before HF tools became...ahem... better. You get the idea. Worth sorting through for the gems, but we've been busy on the house itself, so ... Oh! Sorry, I just went on a rant! Didn't mean to hijack your thread Tony! A thousand pardons (which I put in a plastic bin, right underneath the 1000 PS2 computer cables). :)

Anyway, I would find a way to save the solar panel, but have zero credibility in those matters.

Tom
Tom, I’m pretty sure you and I are DNA cousins from long ago, and probably parented by depression era survivors. I too suffer from PRD (packrat disease), I have multiple generations of treasures that can’t be turned loose. In addition to PRD, I have PA (prounced pilot affliction) where those multiple generations of treasures are kept in somewhat tidy piles that are frequently moved. I pile it here and there… etc.. There’s no known cure.

After all, you never know when you might need something.
 

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