Steak Grilling

[Todah Tear]

I'm not a big steak griller, but I bought a couple of them the other day and I want to grille them this weekend.

I usually grille pork chops. I have had some great steaks that someone else grilled and some that were not so good.

What do some of you who grille steaks use to tenderize your meat? Any techniques that have worked for you?

Todah

 

[michaelwpayton]

... What do some of you who grille steaks use to tenderize your meat? Any techniques that have worked for you?

I've found the most effective way to ensure you end up with a good steak off the grille... is to use leather. That is, the wider you open your leather wallet, when purchasing the beef... the more tender it is likely to be when you eat it.

Good beef doesn't need a lot of prep... and all the prep in the world won't, really, help bad beef

 

[Todah Tear]

... What do some of you who grille steaks use to tenderize your meat? Any techniques that have worked for you?

I've found the most effective way to ensure you end up with a good steak off the grille... is to use leather. That is, the wider you open your leather wallet, when purchasing the beef... the more tender it is likely to be when you eat it.

Good beef doesn't need a lot of prep... and all the prep in the world won't, really, help bad beef

That's funny, and I've heard the part about buying a good quality steak before. I have had some tough steak from pretty good restaurants too. That's why I rarely eat steak. It could have been that those restaurants were charging premium prices for bargin-brand meat.

That's why it is good to get multiple opinions.

Thanks,

Todah

 

[asianflava]

I prefer ribeyes and sirloins if on a budget. I do not poke the meat at all, and I do not use any tenderizing "methods" because it doesn't help.

It is very simple, I start with the steaks and rub olive oil on them, then I liberally put Montreal Steak seasoning on both sides, most of it will come off during grilling. I leave them out so they can get to room temp. I light the grill and get it hot, around 400-500 degrees. I put the steaks on and shuffle them around with tongs. Flip them at about 5-6min, then cook the other side for 5-6min.

Another way to get a juicy steak is to cook them "Sous Vide". Basically you put them in individual vacuum sealed bags and put them in hot water for about an hour. The hot water will cook them but they look really bad. You then throw them on a really hot grille like 600-700 degrees to sear the outside. It gives it a different texture but it requires some experimentation to get right.

 

[caseydog]

I thought I already posted to this same question from you, Todah, but it isn't here, and this thread is new today.

I even made some wisecracks about Outback Steakhouse, which has terrible steaks.

Anywho, forget marinating and/or tenderizing, unless you buy the wrong cuts of beef for grilling. The key to a good steak is to buy good quality meats, and the right cuts for grilling, which is a "hot and fast" cooking method, as opposed to "low and slow" cooking used to "barbecue" meats like brisket.

My favorite is ribeye. NY Strips are a good second choice, IMO, and if you want lean meat, use tenderloin. Sirloin is cheaper, and always on sale, but it is usually a bit tough, and sometimes downright shoe-leather.

Certified Natural Angus Beef (NCA is available in most good stores, and is probably grass fed in pastures, as opposed to corn fed in feed lots (requiring antibiotics). Grass fed beef tastes better, and is a little healthier, too.

Look for well marbled steaks. Not big chunks of fat, but lots of small veins of fat. Those veins of fat cook down, keeping the meat moist and tender, and adding flavor to the steak.

Cook on a very hot grill, and get a nice sear on the meat. Do NOT puncture the meat when it is hot!!! Use tongs or a spatula to turn the meat, not a fork.

It takes practice to get good at telling doneness, but the softer the meat feels, the less done it is, and the firmer the meat feels, to more done it is. Just press it with your finger in the middle. Clench a fist, and press on your inside forearm muscle -- that is approximately what medium will feel like.

Let the meat rest for a few minutes after you take it off the grill, so all the juices won't run out when you cut the steak.

If your meat is undercooked, zap it for about 30 seconds in the microwave. If it is overcooked, it should still taste good, and you'll know more the next time you grill steak.

Bottom line: Buy the right cut of meat, buy quality meat, and you won't need to marinate or tenderize your steaks.

CD

 

[caseydog]

... What do some of you who grille steaks use to tenderize your meat? Any techniques that have worked for you?

I've found the most effective way to ensure you end up with a good steak off the grille... is to use leather. That is, the wider you open your leather wallet, when purchasing the beef... the more tender it is likely to be when you eat it.

Good beef doesn't need a lot of prep... and all the prep in the world won't, really, help bad beef

I watch for good sales on good ribeyes, and buy a bunch. I use my Foodsaver to vacuum seal individual steaks, and they can freeze for months -- not that they last that long in my house.

Steaks in an air-free package will not freezer burn. When I'm ready to cook a frozen steak, I thaw it in the vacuum sealed bag to room temperature, season with kosher salt and black pepper, and cook.

CD

 

[deceiver]

Ok, I'm a cheap steak person. I won't pay $8 lb for steak. or even much less. So, for you frugal people here's the dope on some BBQ steaks from my perspective. Those of you who spare no coinage for steak. I'm just giving another point of view. So go for it.

So, if you're looking at what is usually the lowest price steak that works well on a bbq it's Sirloin. One of the reasons the more expensive steaks are more tender is that they have more fat in them. London Broil. A sort of good tasting but tougher steak is hard to bbq as it has little fat. You have to keep flipping it to keep it from cooking too fast on the outside. Sirloin has a higher fat content. On the BBQ it drips and the flames shoot up. It cooks greasier and cooks inside as fast as outside and is a pretty good tasting and reasonably tender steak... mainly because of the fat content I'm sure.
It's too bad that these heart attacks on the rack are soooo good.

 

[S. Heisley]

Ribeye

On tougher cuts, I've used something as simple as Italian salad dressing to tenderize it. When buying a tougher cut, look for the ones with the most fat marbling, too.

 

[caseydog]

Ok, I'm a cheap steak person. I won't pay $8 lb for steak. or even much less. So, for you frugal people here's the dope on some BBQ steaks from my perspective. Those of you who spare no coinage for steak. I'm just giving another point of view. So go for it.

So, if you're looking at what is usually the lowest price steak that works well on a bbq it's Sirloin. One of the reasons the more expensive steaks are more tender is that they have more fat in them. London Broil. A sort of good tasting but tougher steak is hard to bbq as it has little fat. You have to keep flipping it to keep it from cooking too fast on the outside. Sirloin has a higher fat content. On the BBQ it drips and the flames shoot up. It cooks greasier and cooks inside as fast as outside and is a pretty good tasting and reasonably tender steak... mainly because of the fat content I'm sure.
It's too bad that these heart attacks on the rack are soooo good.

If you like cheap steak, look at Flat Iron Steak. It is often available on sale for $4.99 a pound where I live. It is tender, full of flavor, and a really good deal. It is another steak I buy on sale, vacuum seal, and and freeze for later.

If $4.99 is too much, then I'd recommend chicken or a good burger. If I can't afford ribeye or flat iron steak, I'd rather eat a good burger than eat a tough steak.

BTW, I look at $8.00 a pound as a bargain for good steak. I don't make a lot of money, but I can afford to eat good steak because 90-percent of more of what I eat comes from a grocery store, and it is cooked by me.

The money I save by not buying processed and prepared by others food goes into buying quality meats and fresh produce.

Life is too short to eat tough steak.

CD

 

[caseydog]

Ribeye

On tougher cuts, I've used something as simple as Italian salad dressing to tenderize it. When buying a tougher cut, look for the ones with the most fat marbling, too.

Italian dressing works, because of the vinegar.

My way of dealing with tougher beef cuts is to buy it in roast form, and cook it low and slow. I may slow cook a brisket tomorrow.

CD

 

[kajamelu4]

As someone who raises their own steaks, (purebred Angus) there have been some good points on here. Never, never poke your steak. If the juices run out, you will have a tougher piece of meat. Bringing your meat closer to room temp before grilling also seems to help. We prefer to marinate our steaks for 2 days before cooking, in the fridge of course! Our favorite is a marinade called Allegro. We get it at Sam's or Walmart. Always have your grill hot before placing your meat on it. Sear both sides quickly to hold in the juices, then continue cooking to your favored degree of doneness.
Good luck!

Karol

 

[parnold]

T-Bone or Porterhouse for me, but an occasional sirloin if I'm short on cash. I've found the way you cut london broil makes all the difference in the world. I look for the grain, cut against it, and also cut on a bias (slanted) I use a very sharp knife and cut thin pieces. With "real" steak, I only use salt and pepper, with london broil, I'll usually us a lemon marinade that's actually made for chicken. Meat should be at room temperature, and a high temp initial sear is important.

Meat doneness.... my son taught me this on, learned it in his culinary training, not sure if it was in tech school or at CIA.
Touch your pointer finger and thumb, and press the meaty part of your hand where they meet. If the steak is this soft, it is rare! As you move your thumb to each subsequent finger, that meaty area stiffens. Thumb to pinky is well done, thumb to "friendly" finger is medium rare, thumb to ring finger is medium.

 

[Miriam C.]

As I got older I began to realize that I don't have the energy to chew all that stuff. I have always loved Sirloin and buy it ground now. However, some real butter will help with any steak if it gets dry. Just remember that the thicker the steak the slower you cook it. And the thinner needs a higher temp. Kills the bad stuff. I get steaks from a real butcher. They have a stronger interest in my coming back.

 

[Todah Tear]

I thought I already posted to this same question from you, Todah, but it isn't here, and this thread is new today.
CD

I asked the question in the Joe Pool thread of the South Central section because you all mentioned grilling a bunch of steaks at that gathering in the fall. I figured some you guys knew about grilling steaks. Since I only got one response, I posted in the recipe section where the camp cooks come.

Anyway....

I know my way around a grill pretty good for other meats (pork, chicken, fish, crab), but I am a novice when it comes to steak...didn't want to mess them up.

Thanks for the tips guys! I am grilling as I type this.

Bon Appetit!

 

[caseydog]

I thought I already posted to this same question from you, Todah, but it isn't here, and this thread is new today.
CD

I asked the question in the Joe Pool thread of the South Central section because you all mentioned grilling a bunch of steaks at that gathering in the fall. I figured some you guys knew about grilling steaks. Since I only got one response, I posted in the recipe section where the camp cooks come.

Anyway....

I know my way around a grill pretty good for other meats (pork, chicken, fish, crab), but I am a novice when it comes to steak...didn't want to mess them up.

Thanks for the tips guys! I am grilling as I type this.

Bon Appetit!

Steak will be closest to a good thick pork chop. You want to cook it quickly over high heat to get a nice crust and keep it juicy inside.

And, like pork chops, your fattier cuts will be juicier and more flavorful.

CD

 

[Todah Tear]

I think Hillary Clinton said it best, "It takes a village of teardroppers to grille a steak."

Well done guys! For my first steak grilling, the piece that I had was delicious and tender. I had seasoned them yesterday and they sat in the frig over night. I sprinkled some Allegro on them as they cooked.

I had just gotten home from church earlier, so I went with technique that would get dinner on the table quickest...and it worked.

I will try the other techniques on my next tries.

Thanks,

Todah

 

[Chorizon]

We've used Allegro and it is good stuff. Italian dressing definitely helps out a steak as well.

Here lately we've been getting some pretty decent ribeyes and have gone back to a more traditional route. I think taste preferences change from time to time.

Our latest recipe we love calls for just 2 ingredients; Kosher Salt, and Black Pepper. We'll take a fresh ribeye and sprinkle the Kosher Salt and crack some Black Pepper on both sides and rub it in.

I'll get the gas grill going on high heat and let it warm up.

I'll throw the steaks on when the grill is good and hot (500-600 degrees)

I'll close the lid and forget about it (yeah right!) for 4 minutes.

Then give the steaks a flip and 3 more minutes.

I'll put the steaks on a plate and cover them with tinfoil for 5 minutes (the "resting" thing others have mentioned).

These steaks turn out phenomenal! The seasoning is salt and black pepper!

One other thing to note, when I yank the steaks off the grill they are probably somewhere between rare and medium-rare. After the "resting" period they are a perfect medium-rare!


More than anything, do what you like! In my opinion you can't do too much wrong with a steak other than overcooking it and turning it into a piece of leather. Glad you had such a success today!

 

[WarPony-TNT]

What I use on all my steaks, Daddy Hinkles out of Tulsa, Oklahoma. It'll make a crap steak great and a great steak even better!! There are 3 or 4 different flavors, I like the Southwest and the Hotter than $600.

http://www.daddyhinkles.com

My local grocery stores sell it here (Apple Market and Dillons/Kroger) and it comes in small, single use packets or kits with the dry rub and marinade that will last a long time.

Jeff

 

[caseydog]

I just finished eating a steak with grilled corn on the cob. Yum!

It was a ribeye, of course, seasoned with kosher salt and fresh black pepper, rubbed in with a little olive oil. I cooked it over lump charcoal. I don't exactly know the temperature, since my IR thermometer stops at 600 degrees.

It turned out a perfect medium, with a tasty crust.

I put the corn on after I flipped the steak, and kept it moving.

I don't always eat steak, but when I do, I prefer ribeye.

Stay hungry my friends.


CD

 

[Todah Tear]

I don't always eat steak, but when I do, I prefer ribeye.

Stay hungry my friends.

CD

Yet another great quote!

Todah