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Re: Trying to create more aerodynamic design

Postby PaulC » Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:19 am

GPW wrote:It’s just a boat upside down eh ? ... a very expensive boat .... :o


Funny you should notice that, the creator of the Ultimate range is a, wait for it, boat builder ;)

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Re: Trying to create more aerodynamic design

Postby GPW » Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:41 am

Boat builder ... one might have guessed ... :lol: :lol: :lol: Well, if it works in water , it may work in air , just a thinner “fluid’ anyway eh ? :thinking:
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Re: Trying to create more aerodynamic design

Postby PaulC » Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:51 am

GPW wrote:Boat builder ... one might have guessed ... :lol: :lol: :lol: Well, if it works in water , it may work in air , just a thinner “fluid’ anyway eh ? :thinking:



Personally I think they are ugly and impractical but, hey, whatever floats your boat 8)
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Re: Trying to create more aerodynamic design

Postby rowerwet » Sun Sep 08, 2013 3:22 pm

beat me to it!
for that kind of money who would dare to take it anywhere?
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Re: Trying to create more aerodynamic design

Postby Roo Dog » Sun Sep 08, 2013 4:47 pm

Paul,

I like boats and I like TDs but never the twain shall meet.

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Re: Trying to create more aerodynamic design

Postby mezmo » Sun Sep 08, 2013 8:53 pm

Hi Paul,

I share your skepticism on the price, http://tnttt.com/viewtopic.php?p=1036553#p1036553 ,
but I do like the design. It's sorta like appreciating an Aston Martin [or any such vehicle]
for its design, but then being put off by the price.

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Re: Trying to create more aerodynamic design

Postby working on it » Sun Sep 08, 2013 8:54 pm

Roo Dog wrote:Paul,

I like boats and I like TDs but never the twain shall meet.

RD :)

Oh yeah?!?
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Re: Trying to create more aerodynamic design

Postby Roo Dog » Mon Sep 09, 2013 4:33 am

WOI,
I assume the top line is the water line. :)
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Re: Trying to create more aerodynamic design

Postby rmclarke » Mon Sep 09, 2013 5:03 am

Roo Dog wrote:
I like boats and I like TDs but never the twain shall meet.


Umm...how about this? :thinking:

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Re: Trying to create more aerodynamic design

Postby GPW » Mon Sep 09, 2013 5:05 am

Never said I liked it ... :roll:
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Re: Trying to create more aerodynamic design

Postby rowerwet » Mon Sep 09, 2013 9:43 am

rmclarke wrote:
Roo Dog wrote:
I like boats and I like TDs but never the twain shall meet.


Umm...how about this? :thinking:



I believe this is for sale, not enough room for the baby/needs money for the baby, while I think it is cool, it gives up a lot to try and be a boat and camper.

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Re: Trying to create more aerodynamic design

Postby PKCSPT » Tue Sep 10, 2013 1:00 am

Wonder how the carawhale is holding up?
I kinda like the aussie trailer but the price is gonna have to drop by a few dollars.
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Re: Trying to create more aerodynamic design

Postby PaulC » Tue Sep 10, 2013 1:09 am

mezmo wrote:Hi Paul,

I share your skepticism on the price, http://tnttt.com/viewtopic.php?p=1036553#p1036553 ,
but I do like the design. It's sorta like appreciating an Aston Martin [or any such vehicle]
for its design, but then being put off by the price.

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Norm, let's try this thought.

Turn an Aston Martin upside down and turn it into a caravan/trailer.

That sort of does my head in like that trailer does :thumbs down:

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Re: Trying to create more aerodynamic design

Postby mezmo » Tue Sep 10, 2013 10:44 pm

Hi Paul,

A few last thoughts on our little Nautilus topic here...

I get that you don't like the Nautilus design. Everyone's taste is different, so
'to each their own', as far as all that goes. If everyone liked the same thing
all of the time, it'd make for a quite dull existence for us all.

What 'blows your mind' on the design - that it looks like an inverted boat hull - is
what I think is one of its strengths. An inverted boat hull shape as a TT/caravan's
body shape is a great approach to try and gain some aero advantage I think. And
it is not a new approach, as angib's TrailerBoat page shows:

http://www.angib.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/t ... tear44.htm .

The Nautilus's version is even a bit better, in that its front is positioned to try and
help the airflow coming off of the tow vehicle reform into a smooth flow around the
trailer's body. The top plane starts out lower than the tow vehicle's and then gradually
curves upward, while the side planes also gradually curve outward from their starting
point to the max width of the trailer body. It's trying for smooth airflow transition from
its minimum cross-sectional area to its largest cross-sectional area, while starting out
within the tow vehicle's exit-cross-sectional area.

Granting that the airflow in the immediate rear of a tow vehicle is not in the
smoothest of states, the Nautilus prow [no puns intended] shaped front tends to fill-in
a good bit of the area and volume that is normally turbulent air, while it trys to direct
airflow to attach to the trailer top and sides and follow along them. The relatively smooth
bottom helps as well. That seems like a valid design approach to me. It has to give at least
some benefit in the area it is trying to address, trailer body aerodynamics, when compared
to the usual fully open gap between the tow vehicle and TT/caravan body and the
comparatively broader and flatter fronts on most TT/caravan designs.

It's just borrrowing a design or feature from one category of vehicle and
applying it to another category to see if it will give the hoped for benefit as envisioned.
Its just the same as when aircraft technologies are applied to TT/caravan design and
construction for beneficial effects.

It's not the be-all or end-all or 'The Answer', it's just a very good design attempt
in my view - all other considerations disregarded.

The esthetics results are purely a personal and subjective matter for each and everyone.

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Re: Trying to create more aerodynamic design

Postby DMcCam » Tue Sep 10, 2013 11:38 pm

Hi BB, From what I can gather we must have hit upon a reasonable balance with our design. My Honda Element feels very little of the TD behind us and our gas mileage is very good. We loose only a couple of miles per gallon on flats and another few over hills. The Element is only a 4 cylinder TV. The shape moves with the car very well with the flat sides. Also, the Element is a bit taller than the TD with the roof sloping almost perfectly to follow the TD's shape. I'm not sure all the work necessary to make a heavily compound TD would be worth the time and effort. I'd say after the shape, weight is the next big factor.

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