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Postby rowerwet » Sun Apr 20, 2014 1:57 pm

an interesting map based on the census, I wonder how many of them have spots for dry camping? http://mapsbynik.tumblr.com/post/827911 ... ion-census too bad I live so far from most of them..
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Re: wilderness camping in the US?

Postby Shadow Catcher » Sun Apr 20, 2014 4:37 pm

There is a great deal of rather vacant Crown land in Canada!
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Re: wilderness camping in the US?

Postby eggsalad » Sun Apr 20, 2014 8:37 pm

rowerwet wrote:an interesting map based on the census, I wonder how many of them have spots for dry camping? http://mapsbynik.tumblr.com/post/827911 ... ion-census too bad I live so far from most of them..


The Bureau of Land Management is responsible for a big ton of government-owned land out West. Just Google "BLM camping (state)" to see all the free places to camp!
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Re: wilderness camping in the US?

Postby stumphugger » Sun Apr 20, 2014 9:39 pm

Dry camping? Depends on what the definition of wilderness is. In the west, our official wildernesses only have dry camping. You can't drive anything into it. We have trails for travel by foot or horse only. Trails are cleared using cross cut saws. In other words, no motors allowed. Near me is the William O. Douglas Wilderness area and the Goat Rocks Wilderness Area. You need a permit, which is free and available at the trailhead. You fill it out, tie your copy on a pack or I put it on my dog, and head out. You can camp pretty much where you want, as long as you stay a couple hundred feet from water. Some areas that had too much camping are closed to camping.

I laughed to myself when in Michigan, there was a sign announcing the highway was going through The Porcupine Wilderness. A wilderness area you can drive in? A strange concept for me.
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Re: wilderness camping in the US?

Postby MtnDon » Sun Apr 20, 2014 11:17 pm

Cool map. Reminds me of a story, but that can wait a sec.... Different folks have different definitions for "wilderness".

In the US, wilderness with a capital W is official, government set aside Wilderness. IMO, most people use the wilderness word incorrectly. They do not mean Wilderness as defined by The Wilderness Act of 1964. Included in the official act are the words... "A wilderness, in contrast with those areas where man and his own works dominate the landscape, is hereby recognized as an area where the earth and its community of life are untrammeled by man, where man himself is a visitor who does not remain." As stumphugger mentioned those are severely restricted. The actual act prohibits "mechanized" access. That means not only no motorized vehicles but also no bicycles. Horses, yes. Wheelchairs, no. Don't forget all the WSA's, Wilderness Study Areas, that are governed by rules just about as restrictive as the Wilderness Areas.

At one point in time a decade or more ago in the state of UT there was a primitive dirt road that penetrated through two Wilderness areas. One was an actual declared Wilderness and the other was a WSA. The road, maintained by the county was the geographical divider between the two. So yes, it was possible to drive "through" Wilderness.

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The National Forests cover a lot of land that many folks consider to be wilderness. National Forests have a lot of developed campsites, some are dry, some have flush toilets. Most NF's have also implemented their Travel Management plans which includes travel restrictions with the closing of many of the traditional routes. There are Motor Vehicle Use Maps (MVUM) available for most forests; most because not all have completed their plans. A list is available on a FS website. Many of the maps are available by download but a paper map must be picked up in person at a local FS office. No mailing on those free maps. The other maps you buy do not have the detail that the MVUM's have. The MVUM's include data on where you may camp using the FS Dispersed camping rules. That is, camping anywhere in the National Forest OUTSIDE of a designated campground. Well not quite anywhere because there are restrictions. :( All that info can be found on assorted NF websites.






The story.... A few decades ago the somewhat offbeat editors at Car & Driver Magazine decided they wanted to find where the official "middle of nowhere" in the USA was located. They enlisted the help of an undergrad to use US Census data to find the point that was furthest from anyone recorded in the previous national census. I've never been able to find the article since. The point they located to be the Middle of Nowhere was in SE Utah. They finished the article by making a road trip with a Land Rover donated for road test purposes by Land Rover USA. They did some damage and never were able to drive to the "official" point. Too many ravines, etc. If my memory is any good it was a difficult hike too.
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Re: wilderness camping in the US?

Postby Vedette » Mon Apr 21, 2014 12:26 am

Wow! So many rules.....I had no idea.
Yes, I guess we just never think about it here in B.C. :shock:
There is so much crown land everywhere, that has unlimited access.
Al my life I have been able to drive 10 to 15 minutes to wilderness areas that anyone can dry camp on.
Just drive up any logging road and stop wherever you like and CAMP. For that matter I have slept I the middle of these roads with my Model T. Just stop light a fire, pull up a rock to sit on, cook a steak over and open fire , and have a few beers under a summer moon before climbing into your sleeping bag. Wake up when the sun comes up and continue on your way. ;)
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Re: wilderness camping in the US?

Postby mkitchen » Mon Apr 21, 2014 3:30 pm

After all these years in both eastern Oregon and in the southwest, I couldn't imagine living somewhere where I was not able to camp in the back country. Campgrounds are ok but they don't compare to being able to just set up camp in a nice mountain meadow and enjoy the peace of not having anyone around. Unfortunately, many of these favorite spots are not very accessible by the normal family car and low to the ground trailer. An SUV and trailer with just a bit more ground clearance would do fine though.

Slow, forgive me for contradicting you, but I can think of a lot of country that has water either as a creek, river or lake, that is on federal land. Even here in Arizona, I enjoy camping near a nice running creek. I have camped on both the north rim and south rim of the Grand Canyon (within the park boundaries) without any other folks around and have some great pictures to go with those memories.

So, yes, back country camping is very doable and I highly recommend doing it if you can.
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Re: wilderness camping in the US?

Postby teamredjeep » Mon Apr 21, 2014 6:50 pm

Although I live in California I love exploring and camping in the Nevada backcountry. It's only a few hours away and most of the state is BLM. http://www.blm.gov/pgdata/etc/medialib/blm/nv/gis/maps.Par.62206.File.dat/nv_reference_blm_cnty_11x17_2.pdf I have been traveling there for years and still have plenty of the state to explore. Funny, there is checkerboard land ownership on both sides of I80 I did not really notice before like mentioned above in Wyoming.
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Re: wilderness camping in the US?

Postby tony.latham » Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:04 am

I suspect the problem with that checkerboarded ground in Wyoming was that it was given to the railroads way-back-when to encourage development. I'm sure there were no politicians that got their pockets lined over it. At least the BLM ground isn't that way in Idaho.

If you are looking at an in-your-face wilderness teardrop trip, may I suggest the Sleeping Deer road west of Challis, Idaho. It winds deep into the Frank Church Wilderness Area (inside a legal non-wilderness corridor on either side of the road). It's about a three hour drive -about 40 miles– to the end of the road. I've driven it numerous times and I wouldn't go out there without a vehicle (and TD) with good clearance and a chainsaw in case you get "blown in" by a tree or two (and don't expect cell service). It's snowed in until late June or maybe July this year.

If you want to take a Google Earth view of it, it's at 44.759, -114.671. I tried to upload a GE KMZ file but this forum wouldn't accept it. I may drag my drop out there this summer. There's good high mountain lake fishing if you don't mind a bit of a hike. If you don't mind being lonely, it may be a place to put on your bucket list.

Here's a link from a hiking publication about the area: http://www.trailguidebooks.com/images/F ... ookout.pdf

I did this trip last week on the edge of the Frank, it was a tadbit less wild than the Sleeping Deer road: viewtopic.php?f=43&t=59556

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