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Design Question - The Gidget

Postby Alan_H » Sat May 30, 2015 10:52 am

Has anyone considered or done a clone of the Gidget style from Australia with the pull-out sleeping cabin area?

If so, what challenges did you face regarding sealing the pull-out, and how did you accomplish the pull-out?

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Re: Design Question - The Gidget

Postby alaska teardrop » Sat May 30, 2015 1:42 pm

Alan_H wrote:Has anyone considered or done a clone of the Gidget style from Australia with the pull-out sleeping cabin area?

If so, what challenges did you face regarding sealing the pull-out, and how did you accomplish the pull-out?


No. While it may be unique, IMO, it is a totally silly design. :thumbdown: I see absolutely no advantage in building that way. The disadvantages would be; adding a tremendous amount of weight & expense, sealing not only the top & sides but also the floor against water intrusion, the floors would overlap leaving an uneven surface inside, the slide mechanism would be complicated pita to build & match to the rest of the interior side walls & ceiling. Without sliding it apart, getting inside would be like crawling through a window.

If you want a longer teardrop, simply build it longer!

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Re: Design Question - The Gidget

Postby ZugZug » Tue Jun 02, 2015 4:16 pm

Hi - I have no idea how they achieve the design and build, but just wanted to say that while yes I agree this is a relatively complex way to build a teardrop, the floor is definitely not uneven inside. I have sat in a few of these, and have one on order at present. I haven't looked closely under the bed cushions but it is even once extended.

The advantage I can see for the pull-out is that yes it is quite a large internal space once extended, with the nice skylight etc. But when closed up you still have a compact unit to store in the driveway. Also, you get that nice long towbar which will hopefully make the experience of towing/reversing a little easier, without the need to extend the whole thing to be a big long unit all the time while in storage.

So yes it has some disadvantages during building, but some real advantages in use from my perspective.

Whether they are worth it in a long term sense - I guess that will depend on how simple and reliable the pull-out is in practice, and over the years. So only time will tell.
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Re: Design Question - The Gidget

Postby ZugZug » Sun Jun 07, 2015 4:21 am

Oops and I forgot to mention the lower towball downweight, which was a big issue for me.

I drive a Skoda Octavia and it is limited to 75kg on the towball. Couldn't find any normal caravans that were under that level. I suspect most would be...? But the Gidget is so low on the towball I can even lend it to my daughter in her little honda if she wants to take it away for the weekend.

But maybe all teardrops are light on the towball, I don't know.
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Re: Design Question - The Gidget

Postby angib » Sun Jun 07, 2015 8:50 am

alaska teardrop wrote:If you want a longer teardrop, simply build it longer!

Yes, unless you have a serious storage problem, that sliding process just looks clever but achieves little. A longer teardrop is no more problem to tow, and indeed may be better.

Perhaps more importantly an extendible teardrop will weight significantly more than a longer fixed-length teardrop and will be weaker, less long-lasting and much harder to build.

If storage space is such a problem, a removable tongue seems a better idea.
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Re: Design Question - The Gidget

Postby alaska teardrop » Sun Jun 07, 2015 11:22 am

ZugZug, I wish you well with your new teardrop. It does look well made & hopefully the company has found a way to seal the slide out from water intrusion. Maybe when you take delivery you could post pictures of how it's done?

To Alan I would point out two things to consider. The slideout does not change the overall length for storage purposes. And that the long tongue makes for a very light hitch weight (approx. 6-7% on the Gidget w/o gear & liquids). In the U.S. 10-15% would be considered safe at highway speeds.

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Re: Design Question - The Gidget

Postby Vedette » Sun Jun 07, 2015 1:47 pm

It is funny that I have come across this post today (which I have not previously read) after having dream after dream last night about building a similar style TD.
Spent most of my night dreaming about how I would solve the "Sealing" problem that is obvious, and how to actuate and lock the extension.
Had some great thoughts.........But, after reading Fred's comments, I realized he is right.......WHY?
The whole beauty of teardrop trailers is that they are simple and require not set up when pulling off the road for a nap or late night arrival.
Oh, and remember I build from cars?? So making the slide outs seamless and smooth is another major consideration! :thinking:
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Re: Design Question - The Gidget

Postby Alan_H » Thu Jun 11, 2015 8:18 am

All good comments folks. Thanks for the replies..

Zugzug - I will look forward to your reviews on your new teardrop when you receive it.

I'm still exploring design options, and this caught me as interesting. Another thing that I have noticed about this design is that it eliminates the option for a tongue storage box.

To Alan I would point out two things to consider. The slideout does not change the overall length for storage purposes. And that the long tongue makes for a very light hitch weight (approx. 6-7% on the Gidget w/o gear & liquids). In the U.S. 10-15% would be considered safe at highway speeds.


While you make a good point, I am shooting for a fairly light tongue weight, not quite as low as 6-7% but likely 10-12%, as I have a 2015 Subaru Forester XT. It has a tongue weight max of 175 lbs. and towing capacity of 1500 lbs.

My current trailer is a 5' x 8.5' and I may stretch the design to a 5x10 with the arcs in front and rear, as well as a tongue box. I will have to lengthen the tonque, but will probably make it removable or a folding tongue. Like this...
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Re: Design Question - The Gidget

Postby Recon26 » Fri Jun 12, 2015 11:18 am

My wife saw the Gidget on Facebook today, and while I have been watching this thread, I only now feel compelled to add my own thoughts after replying to her comment on the Facebook post.

It is my belief that for the home builder of a teardrop or tiny travel trailer, you would have a few different issues that may or may not be difficult to remedy depending on your individual situation:

1. It seems to me that finding a commercially available sliding mechanism with an appropriate weight rating would be rather difficult for a decent price. Since we make our stuff one off, you have to find something that matches up the dimensions of your trailer, the dimensions of your teardrop, or find a healthy compromise of the two to make it feasable. You could always fashion something out of pipe and rollers or ball bearings or heavy duty industrial drawer sliders or something I'm not aware of, but I'm not an engineer. And because I am not an engineer, I tend to over build on a massive scale. From what I've been reading on this forum since I joined not too long ago, many of us do it.

2. I may be way off in my assumptions on this one, but I am not structural/mechanical engineer. Creating the teardrop to be structurally sound while the slide out is in the in or out position could prove to be difficult within the common thread of this forum: remaining lightweight and keeping costs reasonable. In my opinion, because of the sliding unit encasing much of the front of the teardrop, the walls and roof would require some type of additional support over and above the normal amount of structual reinforcing that we would normally require for a teardrop without a slide out.

3. It is my belief that the trailer would need to be made in a more robust manner in order to assist in supporting the teardrop structure. You may have to have an increased GVWR of the trailer to include the additional weight of the slide out when in the retracted or open position. A custom trailer costs more (duh) unless you can design/build it yourself and get the supplies rather easily. Then you have to go through the additional hassle of registering a home built trailer which may or may not prove to be easy in your state/country. Obviously, goodbye tongue box unless you incorporated it into the design of the slide out itself. Not too difficult in itself, but when you start adding things like batteries and the associated wiring or propane and the associated plumbing, it can be difficult from a design and functionality stand point. Can those two things be moved to the galley? Of course. Have fun fitting it into that small space and still having room for coolers/fridge/stove/camp stove/storage/random stuff.

4. Weather proofing the slide out...um, hole? frame? area? may be an issue when in both the open or closed position. I can think of ways to build up a double sided threshold that you could have appropriate weather stripping seal it on both sides, but the other pointed out thing in the way I am imagining it is that the floor would be uneven at the threshold and would cause a bump that would require a cutout for your sleeping matress or a platform of some type to make a flat surface for your sleeping desires.

5. Now, the flat sleeping surface is an obvious issue, unless you built some type of platform that easily slides with the slide out mechanism and them self levels or drops into place to create a flat floor. Then when you are closing up shop to move to the next camp location or to go home from your getaway, it needs to be easily moved back into the stowed position so you could pack up and go at a moments notice. This should be easily done by 1 person. And by easily, I mean a 110 year old person with no eyesight, hearing or feeling in their hands that can't even figure out how to operate a modern light switch has to be able to do it. Preferrably in less than 1 or 2 minutes max.

6. The tow vehicle would have to be able to support the additional weight of the contraption. A full size American pick up truck can do this. However, we are a multinational community, and most of us have cars that do the towing, or very small compact pick ups. The weight rating on my hitch is 10,000 pounds with a 1,000 pound tongue weight (even more if I put the weight distributing equipment on), but again, full size American pick up with a 5.7L HEMI. You may require trailer brakes depending on your tow vehicle, and that adds to the cost and complexity of the issue.

These are just some of the points that stand out in my mind. Now granted, I am a simple minded fellow who has yet to start on his own teardrop build, but I did buy the Harbor Freight 4'x8' Super Duty yesterday, so I'm on my way. I'm also pretty handy when it comes to building things, I have lots of tools and I sure as hell know how to destroy stuff.

Have fun with your stuff, I think the Gidget is a great idea, it just wouldn't really fit with the way I am going to build mine for me and the family.
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