Harbor freight trailer will break and crack over time. ?????

[afreegreek]

1 -Yes larwyn That is a tortion box!!! Now add walls and a roof and it is no longer a tortion box But a box beam. Your doors and rear hatch would not continue to operate if it was a tortion box. You do understand wat the word tortion meens . The walls and roof take all the tortion out of the equasion.

2 -Generaly speaking when someone resorts to mud slinging to bolster an argument ( your comments on engineers) it's because thay don't have a good argument in the first place.

3 -I deal with this with my kid all the time . Didn't expect it here though.

exactly correct.. on all points but #3 really hits the nail on the head..

*impacts fastener on striking surface

[boxcar]

Finaly someone broaches the subject. I have ben waighting pationtly all day.. You are very observant. Its called slide weights ( like a nascar). this trailer maintains its toungue weight via balisting the front of the trailer. It can be adjusted from 80 to 125 lbs depending on the load, without loading the cargo rack.. You may or may not have noticed where the axal centerline is placed. 80/20 not 60/40. It is a complex trailer but it was a very fun project. Thanks for the question.....
The reason for the build was the tow rig. Its a 1974 cj5 .2800lbs. Fully loaded T/D 1500lbs . It tows absalutly perfect thanksfor your consern.....Oh and yes it does have brakes.....

Here is a diferent view with the slide out removed. A little easyer to se the axle location at this angle, you may also want to knote the location of the uper basket 90/10 now do you still think its a fish. [img]:thinking:[/img]....Boxcar... by the way thats not my cj Thats my wifes wag... If you'd like I can post about 500 pics of projects that came out of my shop I have done this before ( the doctor comment)
I actualy get payed to do this kind of thing ( the perfect job) Back to mud slinging ( se my prior post) Happy trails....

[boxcar]

I couldn't resist. I also build these......

[Larwyn]

1 -Yes larwyn That is a tortion box!!! Now add walls and a roof and it is no longer a tortion box But a box beam. Your doors and rear hatch would not continue to operate if it was a tortion box. You do understand wat the word tortion meens . The walls and roof take all the tortion out of the equasion.

2 -Generaly speaking when someone resorts to mud slinging to bolster an argument ( your comments on engineers) it's because thay don't have a good argument in the first place.

3 -I deal with this with my kid all the time . Didn't expect it here though.

exactly correct.. on all points but #3 really hits the nail on the head..

*impacts fastener on striking surface

You cannot speak for yourself?

1. I think it has been decided to agree to disagree on the torsion box issue.

2. There was no mud slinging. My comment on engineers was preceded by Mr Boxcar's choice to wave an engineering degree as evidence that he was somehow more qualified to comment on the subject than myself. The comment was not even about engineers, it was all about not being impressed by the fact that an engineering degree was being waved in my face. I still say I am not arguing here, I am stating facts.

3. It is a sad testament that the two of you have to deal with disrespect from your own children, but in a strange way it is a bit encouraging to know that in both cases, it seems, they can see right through BS as well. Perhaps there is hope after all........

[boxcar]

You know what Larwyn I was not waving my degree in your face. And i take exception to that statement. I was simply quallifying my expertice and years on the job conserning the issue in question. trust me if we were talking about CDL requirements I would bow to your wisdom. But we are not. I again am sory for treading on your turf For all the reasons already listed.I'm also sory you seem to have a problem with profetionals. I don't have a problem with truck drivers.....But if you are going to give advice , give good advice. Advice that everyone can utilize . Believe it or not not everyone on this web site has driven a long haul truck or pulled a trailer all there life...... Can we be done with this now?????????PS: I just re read your post . I would personaly atack you here but I don't want this edited .
You leave my family out of this. You dont know me or my daughter. only a very small man would resort to the kind of statement you just made.
Mud slinging is one thing but you sir are a pice of work....BOXCAR... [img]:shock:%20[img]:thumbdown:[/img][/img]

[Larwyn]

You know what Larwyn I was not waving my degree in your face. And i take exception to that statement. I was simply quallifying my expertice and years on the job conserning the issue in question. trust me if we were talking about CDL requirements I would bow to your wisdom. But we are not. I again am sory for treading on your turf For all the reasons already listed.I'm also sory you seem to have a problem with profetionals. I don't have a problem with truck drivers.....But if you are going to give advice , give good advice. Advice that everyone can utilize . Believe it or not not everyone on this web site has driven a long haul truck or pulled a trailer all there life...... Can we be done with this now?????????PS: I just re read your post . I would personaly atack you here but I don't want this edited .
You leave my family out of this. You dont know me or my daughter. only a very small man would resort to the kind of statement you just made.
Mud slinging is one thing but you sir are a pice of work....BOXCAR... [img]:shock:%20[img]:thumbdown:[/img][/img]

You seem to be a bit confused at the moment. I am Larywn and I am the one who is less than impressed by the existence of a degree. I have no problem with professionals but do not accept paper and self proclamation as evidence of professionalism. True professionalism is easily recognized without all that. But I am not, nor have I ever been a long haul truck driver. I also thought we were already done with this, it resurfaced when someone else refused to let it die and just had to quote you. I was compelled to respond.

As for that last statement, if you recall, it was ignored when you first posted it. I was instigated to respond when your own comment was quoted by another. I only know what you told me and that was that your kid annoyed you in much the same way as myself. You Mr. Boxcar brought your family into this, not I. My comment actually applauded your kid for seeming to have the perception to see through BS. Sorry if I hit a nerve there was no intention to insult or degrade your child in any way.

[boxcar]

Larwyn you have ben exposed for what you are a small minded fool your explination holds no watter . I at know time gave you permiion to speak about my family I stated in no unsetain words you were acting like a child. Boath our exchainges are now public record Go back and read them and don't lie to yourself. And remember others have read them as well .You sir brought me back into this .I was done. I did not ask for a thumbs up from anyone . Has it ever occured to you that others may disagree with you on this issue? Are you going to atack them with slurs as well? Don't bother to respond You sir are not worth my time nor do I intend to drop to your rediculas level again......Boxcar

[afreegreek]

1 -Yes larwyn That is a tortion box!!! Now add walls and a roof and it is no longer a tortion box But a box beam. Your doors and rear hatch would not continue to operate if it was a tortion box. You do understand wat the word tortion meens . The walls and roof take all the tortion out of the equasion.

2 -Generaly speaking when someone resorts to mud slinging to bolster an argument ( your comments on engineers) it's because thay don't have a good argument in the first place.

3 -I deal with this with my kid all the time . Didn't expect it here though.

exactly correct.. on all points but #3 really hits the nail on the head..

*impacts fastener on striking surface

You cannot speak for yourself?

1. I think it has been decided to agree to disagree on the torsion box issue.

2. There was no mud slinging. My comment on engineers was preceded by Mr Boxcar's choice to wave an engineering degree as evidence that he was somehow more qualified to comment on the subject than myself. The comment was not even about engineers, it was all about not being impressed by the fact that an engineering degree was being waved in my face. I still say I am not arguing here, I am stating facts.

3. It is a sad testament that the two of you have to deal with disrespect from your own children, but in a strange way it is a bit encouraging to know that in both cases, it seems, they can see right through BS as well. Perhaps there is hope after all........

I don't have children I just didn't clip that off the comment so other's would know what it was in reference to.. children.. inexperienced and unqualified to make judgements on topics they think they know something about.. including the correct terminology..

children don't vote, adults do but that doesn't mean that just because a person is an adult, they know the difference between a community organizer and a commander in chief... some have to experience the difference themselves and feel the pain.. then they learn.

torsion box.. resists the force of torque.
box beam.. resists the force of deflexion.

[afreegreek]

BTW, people are entitled to their own opinions, they are not entitled to their own facts.. we're talking engineering here, not polisci..

[Larwyn]

Well allright then, the authorities have spoken!!

It's all right there in the quotes, just like you said.

Boxcar compares me to his kid in statement #3;

3 -I deal with this with my kid all the time . Didn't expect it here though.

Afreegeek emphasizes it here;

exactly correct.. on all points but #3 really hits the nail on the head..

[Larwyn]

BTW, people are entitled to their own opinions, they are not entitled to their own facts.. we're talking engineering here, not polisci..

Never mind you are not worth my time.

[Miriam C.]

Do you guys have any idea how difficult it is to clean up a thread with this many pages....

Keep the personal stuff out of it or I can pull the whole thing.

[CJflyer]

I think what I have gained most out of these seemingly endless posts is a new appreciation for creative but effective spelling. No disrespect intended.

Lord I apologize for that there comment.

[whitefishpoint]

2. There was no mud slinging. My comment on engineers was preceded by Mr Boxcar's choice to wave an engineering degree as evidence that he was somehow more qualified to comment on the subject than myself. The comment was not even about engineers, it was all about not being impressed by the fact that an engineering degree was being waved in my face. I still say I am not arguing here, I am stating facts.

I'm only chiming in here because I actually AM an engineer, and I work in the automotive industry ON safety related components so much so that we have lawyers in our departments.

Boxcar, your arguments make no sense to me. So much so I don't believe you work as an engineer. Being a "master fabricator" is NOT an engineering job its a skilled trades job.

And if you are trying to pass off that your one-off custom frames are safer than a HF frame then my response is - show us the data. Where are your requirements? Where is your process documentation? Where is your quality control? Where is your verification plans, tests and results? Where are your mule builds that you intentionally bust up during testing? You've got nothing.

Now you want to compare that to a HF trailer that has been re-produced several hundred thousand times?? The empirical durability data from that many units alone is statistically huge. Not to mention all the legal requirements they comply with and the specifications they provide you as the owner. One off custom trailers have no data and have no specifications - period.

"In God we trust, all others bring data." That's what engineering is about. Its not about fabricating skills. You can't prove a skill, you can't make statements of quality regardless of the fact you are a master fabricator - you have no data with a one-off custom.

I'm only posting because I don't want people in this community assuming what engineers are like or are not like, whatever, just don't lump us all together. Like I said, I'm an engineer and boxcar's arguments are not logical in my opinion.

[starleen2]

In God we trust, all others bring data.

As a preacher - I kinda agree with that statement