the roswell

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Postby del » Fri Feb 09, 2007 3:04 pm

grant or anyone who knows

any idea which star to click on. i would like to build this trailer, knowing how the galley was laid out, and other details would help this build stay true to its roots.

any other help (official or unofficial) would be appreciated. no i will not tell where i got the info (unless you are ok with the leak). i swear to use the info only to build the trailer.

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Postby grant whipp » Fri Feb 09, 2007 8:46 pm

O.K. ... O.K. ...

... I'll admit that I was asked to consult with Bill and his cohort on the Galley layout & construction, so I suppose I've got some pretty good ideas on how the thing was "supposed" to have been laid out ... but I gotta tell ya, I'm runnin' the risk of a serious security breach, here. If you don't hear from me after tonight, you'll know I'll have said too much ...

As I remember, the trailing edge of the body remained as a fixed frame, kind of like an upsidedown keel-and-stem of a wooden boat. The upper rear "sixth-panels" were to have been hinged on automotive-type hood hinges, pivoting upward and forwards from the first pair of ribs (moving forward). Gas shocks were to be used to hold the panels open. (If you are having trouble picturing this, one of the big US-made cargo jets has a lower nose bowl that opens the same way to load in cargo)

There would have been a fixed typical counter top, accessed from either side, but the real trick part was that both the left and right lower panels swung out from a pivot point on that counter just rearward of the trailing edge of the axle "wing" ... the right side having a countertop that slid over the fixed top in the closed position, and the left side having a countertop that slid under the fixed top. The left side held a cook top, the fixed counter housed a sink, and the right side just open prep space.

As I recall, cabinetry would have followed the "theme" and made use of every available cubic inch, but my consultation ended once the hinging and sealing of the movable "appendages" was more-or-less completed.

One thing you need to realize is that almost everyone who had a hand in the planning and proposed construction of this vehicle had extensive experience in aircraft construction of one kind or another, and some of the soultions to problems of engineering and function that may seem "otherworldly" to the general populace were almost off-the-shelf to them. And when it came time to tackle the cabin area, the consensus was unanimous - simply apply the Tardis Principle ... (I'm sure Andrew is familiar with that, as it comes from one of his own Countrymen!).

One last thing to consider, as well, is that Bill is an illustrator, not a draftsman (and illustrators have considerably more artistic license than do draftsmen), so his perspective renderings might tend to be a bit more artistic than realistic, and perhaps more along the lines of a "suggestion" of what the real-deal will eventually look like. (If you'd like to see what I'm talking about, here, visit his website at www.aa-gc.com )

So, that's my part of the story and involvment in the Roswell Project ... and if I'm ever interrogated, I'll deny every word of it .... with a winking smile and a glance towards the stars ...

Peace be with you ... live long and prosper ... may the Force be with you ... and most importantly ...

CHEERS!

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Postby del » Sat Feb 10, 2007 6:57 pm

grant

thank you for this info leak (that is if you are still with us). maybe andrew will answer with a definition for tardis principle. i think i can picture how the top of the hatch opens. but the lower doors, too bad the drawings can not be found.

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do you know what size of tires the roswell is suposed to have?
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Postby angib » Sun Feb 11, 2007 5:44 pm

In a few days, I'll have a 3D model of the Roswell done and will be able to offer you a VRML file of it..........

I can see the galley idea Grant has described and I'll try to model that, if my brain can stand the stress of working out the 3D details.

Andrew

Oh, and a 205/75-15 fits the diameter shown on the Roswell drawings and also would fit inside the fender outline - though the way the fender is shown curving in in the illustration might prevent it from fitting. I'm using a 205/75-14 but my fender doesn't taper the same way.
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Postby angib » Mon Feb 12, 2007 6:23 pm

OK, so here is the model so far. Grant's hatch will take a bit more work and I'm having real trouble with the VRML.

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Postby del » Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:16 pm

andrew

the only thing i can say is your work is greatly appreciated, and thank you. that trailer is really groovy, hope you do not mind if i do not paint it green though.

thanks again
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Postby grant whipp » Tue Feb 13, 2007 2:22 am

Hey, Andrew!

That's looking really cool! Does your modeling program allow you to, say, raise the fenders about 4", lower the body over the frame about 2" more, and tuck the wheels/tires up into the fenders about 2" more?

Gettin' really close, my friend ... :thumbsup: ... :thumbsup: ...!

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Postby mikeschn » Tue Feb 13, 2007 5:39 am

Del,

Here's another view...

http://tnttt.com/viewto ... ell#154722

I may experiment one of these days with making it a little wider.

I'll also try what Grant just suggested.

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Postby mikeschn » Tue Feb 13, 2007 9:44 am

Since it appears the fenders are going to be a real struggle, why not get rid of the fenders. Something like this perhaps?

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Postby angib » Tue Feb 13, 2007 12:09 pm

Grant Whipp wrote:Does your modeling program allow you to, say, raise the fenders about 4", lower the body over the frame about 2" more, and tuck the wheels/tires up into the fenders about 2" more?

Grant,

Firstly, in my own defence, here is one of the famous sketches of the Roswell with my model overlaid on it in blue. Most of the differences between my model and the sketches are due to inconsistencies between the two views of the sketch!

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Here is the model with the changes you described. I've also put a flat on the back of the fenders and added some 59 Caddy tail lights there - though I can see that's not too bright as they'd get knocked off by people walking around the trailer in camp.

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The various movements you described mean that the chassis is now recessed a long way into the body - in fact the floor comes slightly above the door opening!

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Postby del » Tue Feb 13, 2007 1:10 pm

hello all

i googled tardis principle and was more confused than ever. i know i am not the brightest crayon in the box, but can anyone help?

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Postby Bob Olszewski » Tue Feb 13, 2007 1:41 pm

Thought I'd add a couple illustrations on the subject. Just food for thought. :thinking: You know, adding some fuel to the fire! :twisted:
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Postby reiltear » Tue Feb 13, 2007 1:54 pm

Del, if I remember correctly, Tardis is a trailer/camper. Or it could be a time machine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TARDIS
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Postby angib » Tue Feb 13, 2007 6:30 pm

Mike has kindly sorted out the VRML of the Roswell model and it is here:
http://www.mikenchell.com/images/angib_ ... oswell.wrl

You will need (free) Cortona or another VRML viewer to look at this model.

And relevant principle of the Tardis for this discussion is that it is at least a four dimensional object, so the inside can contain a volume considerably larger than the outside appears to be.

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Postby mikeschn » Tue Feb 13, 2007 6:40 pm

I thought it was the inside was bigger than it appeared from the outside.

Or maybe Grant meant re-arrange it as required.

Okay Grant, please chime in here... what did you really mean? :?

Mike... :lol:

P.S. Here is my version of the wider Roswell...
http://www.mikenchell.com/images/roswel ... _wider.wrl


P.P.S. Opps, never mind about the Tardis, Angib posted while I was composing! :lol:
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