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Postby Esteban » Fri Sep 21, 2007 3:37 pm

Robert is going on vacation today so may not answer for awhile. I searched my photos and found I don't have pictures of his heater. I'll do my best with a written description.

The metal boxes he used were about 3 inches tall from the bottom to the detachable lid and maybe 6-10 inches square. I don't think their size is critical. He mounted them sideways to the trailer wall. The original bottom of the cookie box is mounted to the inside cabin wall. The (original) side of the cookie box now becomes the bottom where a candle is burned. He mounted 4 boxes side by side with 2 in the top row and 2 in a lower row. They had hardibacker, a concrete siding material used here as a heat shield, in between each of the boxes (as a spacer so the lids can be removed) and hardibacker in back of all the boxes as a heat shield for the wood paneling. There are 2 outside vents. One exhaust vent is in a top row box and 1 fresh air vent is in a bottom row box. Robert had about a 2 inch hole between each box he drilled through the boxes and through the hardibacker to interconnect them. He said be used JB weld to seal the holes. The lids are held tight to each box with one thin bolt, from the middle of the (original) bottom of the cookie box (now on it's side), that's long enough to stick out a hole in the middle of the top just enough for a wing nut to hold the top in place. All of the fresh air comes from outside the trailer and the combustion air is exhausted outside too. The cookie box is both a combustion chamber and a heat radiator. (sorry to be so long winded)

That's the idea of how it works as best as I can describe it and understand how it works. Maybe you could just use one box, or one per side if you wanted to. How many candles to burn and how many boxes you'd use would seem to depend on how well your trailer is insulated and how cold the weather is you camp in
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Postby jeepr » Fri Sep 21, 2007 3:42 pm

Steve,
Thanks for the description, that's helps me visualize it much better! I probably only need one on my wifes side. :lol:
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Postby mikeschn » Tue Sep 25, 2007 6:59 pm

So kinda sorta something like this...? (Lids removed for clarity) The candles definitely need to be in a glass container! :)

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Postby jeepr » Tue Sep 25, 2007 7:57 pm

Thanks Mike, you are the CAD master! :D
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Postby b.bodemer » Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:26 pm

Here's another candle idea..........................

http://www.alternative-energy-news.info ... ed-heater/

More info:
www.heatstick.com.

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Re: Furnace idea.

Postby happy phantom » Sun Aug 19, 2012 10:28 am

I know this is a REALLY old post but I just came back from dry camping at a music festival, slept alone in the teardrop and froze! It rained for two days so my solar panel didn't charge my battery, so my ceramic heater ran it down, and quit working.

I'd like to make one of these, but I am unsure how to seal off the vent holes on the outside to prevent rain water from coming in, etc. And do the vents really need to be 2" if I'm only planning to make a set-up half the size (since the OP said he never used more than 2 candles), I'd use two cookie boxes, could I get by with having 1" holes?

I guess my main "burning" (ha ha get it?) question is the water leakage -> exterior penetration issue.

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Re: Furnace idea.

Postby Shadow Catcher » Sun Aug 19, 2012 4:58 pm

I took a different approach using an Espar diesel heater in an aluminum housing. This uses the same hoses I use for the AC thermostatically controlled.

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Re: Furnace idea.

Postby jeff0520 » Sun Aug 19, 2012 8:24 pm

Shadow Catcher wrote:I took a different approach using an Espar diesel heater in an aluminum housing. This uses the same hoses I use for the AC thermostatically controlled.

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I was going to mention Espar diesel fired heaters. They are big in the trucking business. Might be able to get a good deal on one out of a boneyard wreck. Might be worth the time to see if there is a big truck wrecking yard around where you live.
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Re: Furnace idea.

Postby VijayGupta » Mon Aug 20, 2012 12:12 pm

Disclaimer: I have no experience in this, but it's of interest.

Seems like the truck heaters need electric power to keep the fans going. No good if the battery is running / run down.

Anyone have experience with these?
http://www.campingworld.com/shopping/pr ... eater/7881
Realizing that even though they have a low O2 shutoff, some fresh air would be important



If you have shore power (that in this case you don't) I wonder how well this would work for smaller trailer:
http://www.eheat.com/categories/Wall-Mo ... l-Heaters/
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Re: Furnace idea.

Postby Rolly » Tue Aug 21, 2012 10:36 pm

I have several Mr heater products, Made in USA good customer support. I have a buddy and a big buddy, they work well except at high altitude (above 7000 feet) because of the Oxygen Depletion protection. thats okay I'd rather be chilly than dead.

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Re: Furnace idea.

Postby 2bits » Tue Aug 21, 2012 11:35 pm

happy phantom wrote:I know this is a REALLY old post but I just came back from dry camping at a music festival, slept alone in the teardrop and froze! It rained for two days so my solar panel didn't charge my battery, so my ceramic heater ran it down, and quit working.

I'd like to make one of these, but I am unsure how to seal off the vent holes on the outside to prevent rain water from coming in, etc. And do the vents really need to be 2" if I'm only planning to make a set-up half the size (since the OP said he never used more than 2 candles), I'd use two cookie boxes, could I get by with having 1" holes?

I guess my main "burning" (ha ha get it?) question is the water leakage -> exterior penetration issue.

TIA


BUMP for Tia's question...

Also, isn't it nice to be able to freeze in August? I don't know where you are but I live in TX and it has been nice here this month...
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Re: Furnace idea.

Postby rowerwet » Wed Aug 22, 2012 5:46 am

check my signature for my own idea using a lantern instead of candles
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Re: Furnace idea.

Postby Esteban » Thu Oct 03, 2013 2:48 pm

happy phantom wrote:I know this is a REALLY old post but I just came back from dry camping at a music festival, slept alone in the teardrop and froze! It rained for two days so my solar panel didn't charge my battery, so my ceramic heater ran it down, and quit working.

I'd like to make one of these, but I am unsure how to seal off the vent holes on the outside to prevent rain water from coming in, etc. And do the vents really need to be 2" if I'm only planning to make a set-up half the size (since the OP said he never used more than 2 candles), I'd use two cookie boxes, could I get by with having 1" holes?

I guess my main "burning" (ha ha get it?) question is the water leakage -> exterior penetration issue.

TIA


Reviving a very old thread. Clamshell vent covers, of the right size, functionally similar to these: Perko Midget Clam Shell Vent Chrome-Plated Brass would work to keep rain out and let air in.

Mike's cad drawing is close to how Spenser's cookie tin heater was built. The candles are much shorter than Mike shows. Long burning Tea Light candles like these from Target would work 7 Hour Tea Light Candles - White (100 Count) Robert used one or more long burning candles in the lowest tin box with an air inlet. Heated air flowed through the other boxes radiating heat into the sleeping cabin and then was exhausted to the outside from the last box on top. The cookie tin covers are held in place with a bolt through the center of the cover and a wing nut. We never got a photo of the heater to share.
The parts to build the heater are low cost. New cookie tins (can) come with cookies! The holidays are coming up so they may be more readily available. :thinking:

Google images of square cookie tins
cookietins.com sells them in small quantities. :thumbsup:
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Re: Furnace idea.

Postby hugh » Thu Oct 03, 2013 7:37 pm

I don,t get out as often as I like in the winter but that picture of the candle heater got me thinking. I have gone out in temps as low as 20 below zero and used my Lil Buddy Propane heater. Being fully aware of the dangers of carbon monoxide I did leave it on all night. That was with the door open just a little- held by the chain and a window cracked and a battery powered detector beside my head. The little buddy kept me quite warm but I was never really comfortable and always happy to wake up alive. Mike,s picture of that 4 candle box gave me an idea. I have a friend who can make a metal container large enough to set on the cupboard at the front of my trailer. With a top and bottom vent to the outside and maybe a piece of tempered glass in the front I wonder how much heat would radiate into the trailer. Mine is 8' long 5' 3" high and wide and really well insulated - next time my friend and I get together for few beers I will run it past him.
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Re: Furnace idea.

Postby Esteban » Thu Oct 03, 2013 8:41 pm

Hugh, this is from a very old post. Spenser back then told me 1 or 2 tea type candles provided enough heat output throughout the night for him, and his wife, to sleep comfortably. They could start with more candles and blow some out once it warmed up enough inside. Years have passed since our conversation so I remember/know few more details. The four tins in his setup had (my best guess) 2 to 4 sq. ft. of surface area to radiate heat. They were a mini version of a gas wall heater in a house.

If each tin was 8" x 8" x 3" there would be nearly 1 sq. ft. of surface area per tin - counting the 8x8 top and four 3x8 sides. So for a small cabin area there could be a substantial surface area of heat radiation.

His one side door was not air tight and there were two awning windows for ventilation.
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