Hey Russ How you doing?

[southpennrailroad]

You and me! I am wintering it out in Southern Wisconsin right now.

6.2 degree's as of writing this outside and blue flame heater on lowest setting it is 74.2 inside.

Terrible problems with moisture here. I need to find a dry heat source. propane produces 1 gallon of moisture for every gallon propane used. so thats roughly 4 gallons a week im pumping into the air inside here.

I imagine your having similar issues?

luckily you have access to an electric heater to help throw you some dry heat now and then.

Tomorrow I will be going down to the spring to fetch another tank full (16 gallons) of water to refill the tank in the "Ogre" (named my camper the Ogre for off grid renewable energy)

lets figure out some other heating options vs these blue flame heaters we have. Im tired of my bedding freezing to the wall due to condensation lol.

Yeah! That's my problem as well. I checked the bedding it is frozen at the base of the bed. Air circulation is also needed. I have a fan running it helps to keep the moisture from the beams. 13 out 62 inside. Got to get a new mattress next spring anyhow. so that is not a problem. Just spending the winter now just trying to think about getting the walls warmed so water is not attracted to the outside skin behind the wood.

[GPW]

Pretty COLD this year , and it's not even Winter yet !!!
We've been experimenting with Cheap blankets and found polyester to be very warm and insulating ... Leading to the idea of an inner liner for a trailer .. Sort of like a thick "quilt" of polyester fabric and stuffing , that would just snap up on the walls and ceiling ... easy for a Cargo trailer, sorta' like a Toaster Cozy in reverse... Just an idea ...
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Ps. we've tried the thick quilted "moving blankets" on the floor of our Mini CT ... Works pretty well for keeping the wooden floor insulated ... Cheap too...

Even here in the deep South it's freezing Brrr!!! ... Going to be a long COLD Winter ...

Ps .my little 17$ Milk house 110V electric heater keeps my Mini Ct very warm ... Good as long as the power doesn't go out ...

[Off Grid Rving]

I am fabricating parts for a tiny wood stove right now. built out of those small green propane canisters. I will be putting up some pic's of it on the website when im done.

also I will be building a solar air heater for the Ogre soon too. goal is to try and get multiple sources of heat that produce dry heat and leave the thermostat propane heater to just supplement .

[48Rob]

I think you guys need to get rid of the UNvented heaters and get something that IS vented.

Your moisture problems aside, even though everyone claims it is safe to breathe/live in an environment filled with combustion products, I don't believe it.
Read closely the general use guidelines and anti liability clauses, and you'll find that heating a large building, with a window cracked open, is "probably" safe.
All that in a tiny trailer, may not turn out to be, it is your health and future you are gambling with...

I admire both of you for doing something most cannot, or would not, but I sure don't want to see you be killed or disabled because of it.

Rob

[mikeschn]

I was just thinking the same thing Rob.

I have an unvented blue flame heater in the garage that I use when building teardrops, and I always leave the side door open. I wouldn't even dare think of using that in something as tiny as a teardrop, due to both oxygen depletion and carbon monoxide buildup.

And yes, I have used the vented everest heater, and it's great, it's safe, and it doesn't spew all that moisture into the trailer. I have another one in the basement which will go into my next winter trailer.

You guys might want to think about something like this...

http://www.ducktec.com/itmidx14.htm

Mike...

[Off Grid Rving]

I am going to contact them tomorrow. got message machine tonight.

that looks like just the ticket to keeping warm and dry this winter heh

[mikeschn]

here's a top view of the heater as it was installed in the Lil Diner...



and here's a front view...



Then we put a board up with four screws so we could have access in case we needed to service it... and we put in a 90° elbow to push the air out the front... Voila'

[Nathan N]

Here are some bookmarks I have of threads about heating/furnaces on the forum.

http://tnttt.com/viewto ... ace#625392

http://tnttt.com/viewto ... 2488#22488

http://tnttt.com/viewto ... c&start=15

I ended up purchasing mine from rvtec on ebay:
Item title: Atwood Hydroflame 8012 II RV Camper Furnace 12,000 BTUs for $378 including shipping. This was last February.

Nathan

[mikeschn]

Here are some bookmarks I have of threads about heating/furnaces on the forum.

http://tnttt.com/viewto ... 2488#22488

Nathan

I like that link!!!

Mike...

[Nathan N]

Here are some bookmarks I have of threads about heating/furnaces on the forum.

http://tnttt.com/viewto ... 2488#22488

Nathan

I like that link!!!

Mike...

You're a faster poster than I am.


Nathan

[doitright]

I think you guys need to get rid of the UNvented heaters and get something that IS vented.

Your moisture problems aside, even though everyone claims it is safe to breathe/live in an environment filled with combustion products, I don't believe it.


Rob

You are right. Well let me tell you a short story. A friend has a winter hot house and grows tomatoes for himself. Had a vented heater for years and they grow fine. It went out and he put in a unvented heater and never got a tomato until he got rid of the unvented and got a vented heater. They put out particularizes (sp) will not let a tomato to reproduce what can it do to you. They are great for what they are intended for and that is emergency heat. Go vented if you can.
doitright

[southpennrailroad]

I think you guys need to get rid of the UNvented heaters and get something that IS vented.

Your moisture problems aside, even though everyone claims it is safe to breathe/live in an environment filled with combustion products, I don't believe it.


Rob

You are right. Well let me tell you a short story. A friend has a winter hot house and grows tomatoes for himself. Had a vented heater for years and they grow fine. It went out and he put in a unvented heater and never got a tomato until he got rid of the unvented and got a vented heater. They put out particularizes (sp) will not let a tomato to reproduce what can it do to you. They are great for what they are intended for and that is emergency heat. Go vented if you can.
doitright

Yep Your correct as I am seriously thinking it will help in getting rid of the excess moisture as well. I like the idea of a thermostat as well and not having to get up in the am to a cold trailer even if this blue flame heats fast. I am wondering if a furnace such as that is as good as the blue flame as for the fuel consumption. Will it go for at least 8 days on a 20 lb tank. It would be an added bonus to have the thermostat even if I lost one day to fuel use. then again a thermostat would be conserving fuel. Sometimes I endure to much heat just so I could stay on the bed because I am lazy to get up to shut it down knowing I will have to get up again to turn it back on. A whole winter of this would be eliminated with a furnace such as that one mike has.

[southpennrailroad]

Hey Mike

Also should I install that heater on the floor facing the rear across my kitchen floor as the empty air space beneath the bed is really cold and that should help back there as the battery is stored there also. I saw an old trailer with the furnace on the floor. I think that would be beneficial as heat rises and it would do some good before it rises anyway.

Also that being a forced air furnace I suppose it has a blower. I would not need a O2Cool fan to get the air around. Basically like a house furnace Right?

[48Rob]

Russ,

I have a mini furnace similar to Mike's.
It is mounted close to the floor (just on top) to take advantage of the heat rises fact that you mentioned.
It has an automatic blower.

Pretty much like a house furnace, set the thermostat, pay the gas bill and you'll be free to do more important things...like sleeping without worry.

Rob

[southpennrailroad]

Russ,

I have a mini furnace similar to Mike's.
It is mounted close to the floor (just on top) to take advantage of the heat rises fact that you mentioned.
It has an automatic blower.

Pretty much like a house furnace, set the thermostat, pay the gas bill and you'll be free to do more important things...like sleeping without worry.

Rob

Thanks I kind of figure that after i just put the electric milk house heater on the floor and it seemed to have heated the area beneath my bed last night. I didn't use the blue flame heater just the electric and it was good in the trailer. Even the water was down. (No not dripping down just not much) Now I am just trying to figure out where to install it. I am partial to installing it just next to the left (outside looking in) of the door on the side of the trailer. But at the same time I want access to it in case of problems. I saw the one on the adventure ebay web page for 360 plus 21 for S&H Was thinking of going for that one. Should this thing cut down on the water vapor?

Thanks all for the help.