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Re: OPERATION POCKET CHANGE

Postby bobhenry » Wed Dec 24, 2014 6:30 am

It is early yet but it appears there are a few folks who believe in the pioneer spirit of the "Log Cabin Rule"

I would like to thank those folks for their donations. ( you know who you are )
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Re: OPERATION POCKET CHANGE

Postby Greg Barrick » Wed Dec 24, 2014 9:51 am

I like the way you think. My son is border patrol we go around the time.
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Re: OPERATION POCKET CHANGE

Postby bobhenry » Fri Dec 26, 2014 8:06 am

Some have asked why I take this risk. I received a nice P.m. from a donor.

This small excerpt from his rather lengthy message of support sums up rather well why I am taking the risk.

You are a tax paying American and thats RARE these days. I can be of no financial help but will send numerous small checks. I love a good fight. Especially when it's something I believe in. I believe our rights are slowly being taken away by a group of people that have no backbone. If you don't stand for your beliefs ,you'll fall for anything.I am a 61 year old man that believes America is still the best country in the world although some are trying to destroy that.keep me informed. Good Luck my friend.



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Re: OPERATION POCKET CHANGE

Postby Billy K » Fri Dec 26, 2014 10:33 am

I stand with Bob and those who think it through...
Yes, moving the trailer will "make friendly" with the County...
Yes, compliance IS what "they" seek....
Yes, Standards and Weighs are needed and necessary (sometimes) evils....
No, it does not make sense to fight a fight against the "string pullers"....

How-some-ever.... This, Union of These United States: is a place whereby, the People..
by their wants, wishes, and will; may - and have, changed the direction of this 'experiment'
of Self Governance.

One size DOES NOT fit ALL !!
Whether that "fit" is disputed as General Government vs State; or Person vs Tyranny.

Good Luck to Bob, and All who choose not to blindly comply.


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Re: OPERATION POCKET CHANGE

Postby stumphugger » Fri Dec 26, 2014 11:03 am

I think most of us are tax paying Americans and it is NOT rare.

How much research did you do prior to buying that piece of land? Can you take it off the wheels and put it on a foundation? You may want to comply with the laws simply because should you want to sell that property, the evil financial institutions will not give loans for buying such properties, and buyers with cash are rare. I was able to snatch up the place I now have a house on because I had enough cash. The rickety mobile home and unpermitted addition kept it to a cash only market. That limits the competition amongst buyers.

There's a bit more to it than sticking it to "the man" or to the lowly paid clerk who will be stuck dealing with the pocket change. Do you care about your neighbors? What do they think? Or is it a to heck with them I'll do whatever I want to do situation?

Pioneer spirit? Pioneers worked together quite a bit, or they wouldn't survive. Pioneers had a few rules to follow, look up the homestead act. They had committees, leaders, and rules. During the trip out here, a severe punishment was to be banished from the wagon train--forced to go it alone. We seem to forget those facts. Aren't you violating that spirit by asking for financial help, small or not?

The engineering part of my brain wants to know what it would take to comply with the county codes. A foundation? Hookup to a sewer or septic system? The things that MOST people, even those of us who pay taxes actually have to do?

I'll confess. I retired after a long career working for the feds in the woods. I had to take crap from people and one gets deaf to hearing it pretty quickly. One memorable woodcutter informed me that after the next election, my job would no longer exist. He wanted to cut firewood in an area where no cutting was allowed--it was an actual law. Guess he was special? An anarchist? Most folks were nice, and easy to work with. I even had a few protesters appear when I announced plans to retire.

The point is, if you cannot comply and if the rules are so unfair, you need to gather voters, not pocket change and go to the politicians. That clerk isn't going to be able to do a darn thing, nor will their boss. In our area, it would be the county commissioners, who are elected.

My advice would be to get your trailer parked legally and circumvent the clerks by going to the county commissioners, and if that doesn't work, run for office or try to get a sympathetic candidate elected. Isn't that the true "pioneer" spirit? It takes a lot of work but so did homesteading.
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Re: OPERATION POCKET CHANGE

Postby Gage » Fri Dec 26, 2014 5:49 pm

stumphugger wrote:I think most of us are tax paying Americans and it is NOT rare.

How much research did you do prior to buying that piece of land? Can you take it off the wheels and put it on a foundation? You may want to comply with the laws simply because should you want to sell that property, the evil financial institutions will not give loans for buying such properties, and buyers with cash are rare. I was able to snatch up the place I now have a house on because I had enough cash. The rickety mobile home and unpermitted addition kept it to a cash only market. That limits the competition amongst buyers.

There's a bit more to it than sticking it to "the man" or to the lowly paid clerk who will be stuck dealing with the pocket change. Do you care about your neighbors? What do they think? Or is it a to heck with them I'll do whatever I want to do situation?

Pioneer spirit? Pioneers worked together quite a bit, or they wouldn't survive. Pioneers had a few rules to follow, look up the homestead act. They had committees, leaders, and rules. During the trip out here, a severe punishment was to be banished from the wagon train--forced to go it alone. We seem to forget those facts. Aren't you violating that spirit by asking for financial help, small or not?

The engineering part of my brain wants to know what it would take to comply with the county codes. A foundation? Hookup to a sewer or septic system? The things that MOST people, even those of us who pay taxes actually have to do?

I'll confess. I retired after a long career working for the feds in the woods. I had to take crap from people and one gets deaf to hearing it pretty quickly. One memorable woodcutter informed me that after the next election, my job would no longer exist. He wanted to cut firewood in an area where no cutting was allowed--it was an actual law. Guess he was special? An anarchist? Most folks were nice, and easy to work with. I even had a few protesters appear when I announced plans to retire.

The point is, if you cannot comply and if the rules are so unfair, you need to gather voters, not pocket change and go to the politicians. That clerk isn't going to be able to do a darn thing, nor will their boss. In our area, it would be the county commissioners, who are elected.

My advice would be to get your trailer parked legally and circumvent the clerks by going to the county commissioners, and if that doesn't work, run for office or try to get a sympathetic candidate elected. Isn't that the true "pioneer" spirit? It takes a lot of work but so did homesteading.

:applause: :thumbsup: Well said stumphugger. If it’s got axles and a hitch on it, it’s a trailer and should comply with all DMV laws and property zoning codes. If it’s a tiny house, then pull the axles and hitch and put it on foundation blocks. It’s that simple. If I can’t have a trailer on my property, I sure as hell don’t want to see one next door. :no:

P.S.: I'm also pay tax and am on SS. I also have a couple of trailers and 5 cars (3 classic and 2 current). And I don't get in trouble because I check the zoning codes and comply. Life is much easier that way. :yes:
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Re: OPERATION POCKET CHANGE

Postby bobhenry » Mon Dec 29, 2014 7:36 am

I think most of us are tax paying Americans and it is NOT rare. I think this inference was in reference to the great number of illegal aliens getting everything from W.I.C. to free rent.

How much research did you do prior to buying that piece of land? I had been working on the purcahase since the spring of 2013 , That makes it about 18 months
Can you take it off the wheels and put it on a foundation? It is currently on 8 piers constructed of 16 x 16 heavy wall 2 void concrete blocks with protective caps of 2x12 southern yellow pine to disperse any point load that may compromise the block by creating a point load that may crack the blocks. The wheels could be removed this moment as they are suspended above ground they simply have not because if they were to lay loose they may be stolen. However , perhaps I chould remove them and store them at the house in a house to limit the possibolity of the county trying to remove it. Without wheels it might prove to be a bit more difficult.
You may want to comply with the laws simply because should you want to sell that property, the evil financial institutions will not give loans for buying such properties, and buyers with cash are rare. It will not be for resale as a home on a property should it ever happen it will be long after my death and I have little concern for the outcome. I was able to snatch up the place I now have a house on because I had enough cash. The rickety mobile home and unpermitted addition kept it to a cash only market. That limits the competition amongst buyers. As was I aren’t we fortunate.

There's a bit more to it than sticking it to "the man" or to the lowly paid clerk who will be stuck dealing with the pocket change. I am sticking it to no one I am simply trying to live frugally and without weighing heavy on mother earth. Do you care about your neighbors? The corn field to the north the bean field to the west the factory to the east or the 4 lane road to the south ?.What do they think? Well the corn is all ears but not talking. The beans don’t seem to give a fart. The road bed just lays there and the favctory just comes and goes a shift at a time just glad to be making a living and getting off for the day. Or is it a to heck with them I'll do whatever I want to do situation? I would not have chosen this propery if it were not weeds to 7 foot , un loved and uncared for. It is within 2 blocks from my current work helping to minimize the green house gas impact of my current 50 mile round trip drive each day to work. I feel my motive have been far more pro than con

Pioneer spirit? Pioneers worked together quite a bit, or they wouldn't survive. As I am asking my friends to help me??
! Pioneers had a few rules to follow, look up the homestead act.
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Although this act was included in the Republican party platform of 1860, support for the idea began decades earlier. Even under the Articles of Confederation, before 1787, the distribution of government lands generated much interest and discussion.
The act, however, proved to be no panacea for poverty. Comparatively few laborers and farmers could afford to build a farm or acquire the necessary tools, seed, and livestock. In the end, most of those who purchased land under the act came from areas quite close to their new homesteads (Iowans moved to Nebraska, Minnesotans to South Dakota, and so on). Unfortunately, the act was framed so ambiguously that it seemed to invite fraud, and early modifications by Congress only compounded the problem. Most of the land went to speculators, cattlemen, miners, lumbermen, and railroads. Of some 500 million acres dispersed by the General Land Office between 1862 and 1904, only 80 million acres went to homesteaders.
Another fine government program lining the pockets of the " haves" financed by the " have nots" !
They had committees, leaders, and rules. During the trip out here, a severe punishment was to be banished from the wagon train--forced to go it alone. We seem to forget those facts. Aren't you violating that spirit by asking for financial help, small or not ? Were the pioneers violating the spirit by having a few of the women gathering together to help birth a baby, or when the men gathered together to shoulder a leaver to help one another to free a fellow travellers wagon from the grip of a muddy rutted path??? When the train was attacked did they not gather to defend it? When evil land barons demanded tribute or their barn might mysteriously burn down did they not rise together to rid the tyranny.

The engineering part of my brain wants to know what it would take to comply with the county codes. The property lies in a corridor they have deamed a portal to the city and the demands are as crazy as most HOA A foundation? Hookup to a sewer or septic system? I have promised to leave the land as is with reference to excavation. There is a well and septic system already existing on the property.
The things that MOST people, even those of us who pay taxes actually have to do? And when you pay your taxes are you not expecting the benefits derived from doing so?

I'll confess. I retired after a long career working for the feds in the woods. I had to take crap from people and one gets deaf to hearing it pretty quickly. One memorable woodcutter informed me that after the next election, my job would no longer exist. He wanted to cut firewood in an area where no cutting was allowed--it was an actual law. Guess he was special? An anarchist? Most folks were nice, and easy to work with. I even had a few protesters appear when I announced plans to retire. Makes you a great person with a fairly well protected retirement congratulations, wish I had been so fortunate.

The point is, if you cannot comply and if the rules are so unfair, you need to gather voters, not pocket change and go to the politicians. I am going to the politicians they have turned a deaf ear to state codes that are in place granting me the right to live on my property in my home , be it ever so humble.
I am sorry you feel that gathering pocket change is demeaning . I saw it as a means to show support from far and wide that might speak volumes about the new way of a more simple and economic way of life.

That clerk isn't going to be able to do a darn thing, nor will their boss. In our area, it would be the county commissioners, who are elected. Does you state laws not trump the municipal ones?

My advice would be to get your trailer parked legally (By state code it is) and circumvent the clerks by going to the county commissioners, That was the August hearing for the special exception for zoning. and if that doesn't work, ( it didn’t) run for office or try to get a sympathetic candidate elected. Isn't that the true "pioneer" spirit? It takes a lot of work but so did homesteading. :rofl:
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Re: OPERATION POCKET CHANGE

Postby bobhenry » Mon Dec 29, 2014 8:20 am

Gage wrote: Well said stumphugger. If it’s got axles and a hitch on it, it’s a trailer and should comply with all DMV laws and property zoning codes. If it’s a tiny house, then pull the axles and hitch and put it on foundation blocks. It’s that simple. If I can’t have a trailer on my property, I sure as hell don’t want to see one next door. :no:

P.S.: I'm also pay tax and am on SS. I also have a couple of trailers and 5 cars (3 classic and 2 current). And I don't get in trouble because I check the zoning codes and comply. Life is much easier that way. :yes:


My car has axles and a hitch and it's NOT a trailer. My truck has axles and a hitch on it and is NOT a trailer so perhaps a tiny house is also NOT a trailer like a car and a truck.
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Re: OPERATION POCKET CHANGE

Postby bobhenry » Mon Dec 29, 2014 2:19 pm

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Re: OPERATION POCKET CHANGE

Postby Woodbutcher » Mon Dec 29, 2014 3:16 pm

I like your spirit Bob. Maybe all this will do no good, I don't know. But as a friend and a good member here I want to help you out. Watch your mailbox. My hope is that if you want to help, do so. If not, just move on.
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Re: OPERATION POCKET CHANGE

Postby Gage » Mon Dec 29, 2014 3:48 pm

bobhenry wrote:My car has axles and a hitch and it's NOT a trailer. My truck has axles and a hitch on it and is NOT a trailer so perhaps a tiny house is also NOT a trailer like a car and a truck.
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Re: OPERATION POCKET CHANGE

Postby stumphugger » Mon Dec 29, 2014 5:43 pm

bobhenry wrote:Image


Why?
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Re: OPERATION POCKET CHANGE

Postby DrCrash » Mon Dec 29, 2014 7:08 pm

stumphugger wrote:
bobhenry wrote:Image


Why?

Why not ?
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Re: OPERATION POCKET CHANGE

Postby Nansplace » Mon Dec 29, 2014 8:44 pm

I totally agree with woodbutcher. If you want to leave positive feedback, that's great but if all you've got is negative feedback, keep it to yourself. stumphugger, have you ever considered the idea that you don't know the whole situation just from Bob's posts? Maybe he has other personal issues that you know nothing about. There is usually always more to the story than what someone wants to share. I for one believe in his efforts to be able to live where he wants in a home that he has taken great pride in building. If the law is written stating his right to live as he likes, on his own property, then what gives the politicans the right to tell him he can't? He has worked a long time on this project to keep a roof over his head, and to abide by the law of the land. Would our society rather he quit his job, go on welfare, and live off YOUR taxes? hmmmmmmm that's an idea Bob......screw it all and let the government take care of you. Oh, that's right, you'd rather support yourself!!!!!! Some people are just too proud to accept a hand out and Bob happens to be one of those people. Good luck Bob, you'll always have my support. :thumbsup:
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Re: OPERATION POCKET CHANGE

Postby Gage » Mon Dec 29, 2014 9:46 pm

Nansplace wrote:I totally agree with woodbutcher. If you want to leave positive feedback, that's great but if all you've got is negative feedback, keep it to yourself. stumphugger, have you ever considered the idea that you don't know the whole situation just from Bob's posts? Maybe he has other personal issues that you know nothing about. There is usually always more to the story than what someone wants to share. I for one believe in his efforts to be able to live where he wants in a home that he has taken great pride in building. If the law is written stating his right to live as he likes, on his own property, then what gives the politicans the right to tell him he can't? He has worked a long time on this project to keep a roof over his head, and to abide by the law of the land. Would our society rather he quit his job, go on welfare, and live off YOUR taxes? hmmmmmmm that's an idea Bob......screw it all and let the government take care of you. Oh, that's right, you'd rather support yourself!!!!!! Some people are just too proud to accept a hand out and Bob happens to be one of those people. Good luck Bob, you'll always have my support. :thumbsup:

I keep forgetting. This is the time of being politically correct whereas no one is to be offended. It doesn't matter that one is ignoring zoning laws because they are unfair and that they don’t apply to them. And didn’t I read somewhere that Bob is retired and is receiving SS. So it just goes to show that maybe you don’t know everything. :thinking:

Bob should take his problems to the ‘Poor Me forum'. The title of this forum is Teardrops n Tiny Travel Trailers. Not tiny houses.
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