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Postby doug hodder » Thu Aug 29, 2013 6:21 pm

This makes for some uncomfortable camping conditions. This is from the Rim fire in Yosemite. Hope they get this thing under control soon as the smoke is killing me! I'm north of it in Placerville 100mi. or so. The guys in Reno are getting hammered by it as well. Doug

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Re: Got smoke?

Postby emiller » Thu Aug 29, 2013 6:32 pm

That's a nasty look. Hope they get some relief. :worship:
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Re: Got smoke?

Postby Rainier70 » Thu Aug 29, 2013 7:18 pm

This first picture from a couple of weeks ago is looking down on my home from the top of the mountain pass. You can't even see any of the valley through the smoke. It was from the smaller, but closer to me, 30,000 acre State Fire on the Idaho/Utah border. I spent close to 3 weeks up in the mountains in my camper to get out of the smoke -(lung problems). And I will probably have to leave again at the beginning of this next week as the Rim Fire smoke follows the jet stream our direction. Last year I camped for a couple of months due to fires. This year is going to be a close second. BAD STUFF!!! .... Get out of it if you can!!

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Re: Got smoke?

Postby campmaster-k » Thu Aug 29, 2013 7:21 pm

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Re: Got smoke?

Postby toolman » Thu Aug 29, 2013 7:57 pm

I just received this from a friendthat lives in the Dalles, OR

That's Mt. Hood in the background

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Re: Got smoke?

Postby Rainier70 » Thu Aug 29, 2013 7:59 pm

The fire is a shame, but what a cool picture!
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Re: Got smoke?

Postby S. Heisley » Thu Aug 29, 2013 8:42 pm

God bless and protect our firemen and our wild national treasures. :worship:
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Re: Got smoke?

Postby bdosborn » Thu Aug 29, 2013 10:44 pm

There was a big fire nearby when we were camping at the Sand Dunes this summer. Everything was a creepy yellow color:

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Re: Got smoke?

Postby stumphugger » Fri Aug 30, 2013 12:04 pm

We got it last year, when the wind blew the wrong way. Unfortunately, the fires were in wilderness, so there was no need to put them out--if they could. The goal of one fire was simply to keep it on Forest Service land, and off the Yakama Reservation. That was a very expensive fire. We were fairly lucky in that we only got smoke if the wind came out of the east.

It is part of living where we do.

During the timber harvest years, we would get smoke during slash burning seasons, but it only lasted a short time and we knew it would be over quickly. The local paper would write about how it was the smell of money as slash was being burned to make planting spots, which would be cut again some day. A lot of us made good money burning slash, and then later by going to wildfires.

That was all in the past. :(
I will not blame it on global warming. We've always had lightning strikes, and now we have cumulative effects which help the lightning strikes grow.

We have fewer bodies in the woods. The Forest Service here has 1/3 of the people it used to have and budgets keep on shrinking.
We also have way fewer loggers roaming the woods. Loggers are required to have fire tools in their pickups and more stuff on their work site. Roads have been torn up (decommissioned) that could provide a quicker response to the fires. The Forest Service quit doing salvage logging, which removed dead trees from areas, which now provide fuel for forest fires. Plus the Forest Service has a whole different organization than it used to--more biologists, managers, and computer folks and less folks who actually go out into the woods--foresters. They also have a different fire philosophy. In the olden days, a goal was set to get fires out by 10 AM the next day. Now we have the philosophy that each fire needs to be analyzed, and allowed to burn if practicable. But sometimes those fires blow up and head for town. Then we have a mess. There's also a good buildup of fuels because of the Out By 10AM method, and not enough thinning and controlled burning.

Blame? Everybody is to blame. From the gubmint policies to the NIMBYs who object to prescribed burns and thinning. Some campers also seem to have no sense when it comes to campfire locations and leave without putting their fires out.

We're having the normal season where "something needs to be done" is repeated over and over. That'll stop come the winter snow and rain. Then it will start up again next year. It always works that way and I can't see any change.

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Re: Got smoke?

Postby Wolffarmer » Fri Aug 30, 2013 1:46 pm

Last year we was in smoke for a long time from range fires just north of me. Then this summer we have it again from forest fires in central idaho. It is smoky again today.
But nothing like 1988, the year of the fires in the Yellowstone park area. I was harvesting wheat when that was going on and for days visibility was less than 1/4 mile for most of the time. I know it was less than 1/4 mile as I was thrashing fields with 1/4 mile wheel lines in them. And I could not see the end of the field.
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Re: Got smoke?

Postby dguff » Fri Aug 30, 2013 7:57 pm

slowcowboy wrote:quite normal doug we live in that forest fire smoke all summer here in wyoming you can't keep all the tree huggers from starting fires and if its not that it is lighting and all the beetle killed trees. than the stupid goverment won' t fight the fires and just lets the them burn.

smoke in the air is kinda just normal for us in wyoming after middle of july every summer now.

all I got to say is so much for the clean air act.

just go inside dougy and just try to breath. nothing really you can do about it other than cuss washington dc for letting it burn and making you breath it all!

slow forest fire smoke in the summer is after all getting to be quite normal!


Was there any smoke at " Walk the Winds" this year? I did not see any comments from any of the participants about smoke. I have not seen anything in the NATIONAL news about any Wyoming wildfires. So if there are any I think they must be pretty trivial compared to the enormous fires in California and Idaho.

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Re: Got smoke?

Postby dguff » Fri Aug 30, 2013 8:03 pm

We drove home from our last campout at Wolf Creek CA a couple of weeks ago through some very dense smoke. There was a fire Northeast of Auburn Ca which had smoke drifting southeast and into our path. Could not open the windows in the car and had to run with the vent system on recirculation for a few hours before we got out of the cloud.

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Re: Got smoke?

Postby dguff » Fri Aug 30, 2013 8:46 pm

Slow,

I have been through Wyoming several times over the last 30 or 40 years, including just last summer. I like Wyoming. I had one of my best meals ever, anywhere was in in Dubois. I am in no way bashing the state of Wyoming. If you did any research you would realize that I am from one of the smallest towns in California and not basing my observations from the viewpoint of a " big city" guy. Just a guy who is willing to express an opinion about your post.

Maybe we will meet if you ever get to a gathering somewhere other than Pinedale.

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Re: Got smoke?

Postby S. Heisley » Sat Aug 31, 2013 12:41 am

slowcowboy wrote:quite normal doug we live in that forest fire smoke all summer here in wyoming you can't keep all the tree huggers from starting fires and if its not that it is lighting and all the beetle killed trees. than the stupid goverment won' t fight the fires and just lets the them burn.


Allowing the fires to burn the dead trees and dead brush cleans up the area and also kills and helps control those 'beetle killers'. Using Mother Nature's fires is the easiest, most natural way to control such a massive beetle problem. In addition, some seeds will only germinate to produce new growth after they have been through a fire that is hot enough to cause the outer layer of the seed to pop open. That's just another form of stratification and it is one of Mother Nature's ways. Nature-started forest burns (and sometimes, human-started controlled burns) can be an important part of keeping a forest healthy.

An out-of-control fire is not desirable; and the smoke from any fire can be nasty. But, sometimes, it's a price that we have to pay, like it or not.

Just stay safe out there and try to stay out of the smoke, if you can.
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Re: Got smoke?

Postby Shadow Catcher » Sat Aug 31, 2013 6:24 am

We have been watching the news and wondering if Diamond O camp ground and camp Mather were destroyed, (camped there last year).
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