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Titling in Idaho –my experience

Postby tony.latham » Thu Oct 17, 2013 7:58 pm

Today I jumped through the hoops of titling my teardrop in Idaho and thought I'd share my journey. After all, during my building faze, I used this forum like a guy milking a Herford that had six kids to feed. I don't! But it's time to give a little back.

Halfway through my build I stopped in at the county motor vehicle office and asked them about the process. When I mentioned "homemade camp trailer" the gal's eyes got wide, she brought her hand up to her mouth and said, "Oh," while slowly shaking her head, "we don't do that here, your going to have to get ahold of her." The word her was spoken with emphasis –as if her was somekind of lengendary entity of some sort. The clerk dug into her drawer and handed me a business card. I looked at it and saw below the person's name was the title: "Idaho Motor Vehicle Investigator" in big bold print with an address three hours away in Idaho Falls. I was also informed that the investigator would have to inspect the finished build and she rarely "came up to Salmon." I sent the MVI an email and was told that she would have to look at my receipts and that "each SPCV titling process is different." That last phrase left me with a chill. Different? :shock:

I mentioned this to a long-time deputy friend of mine. His eyes squinted down, his smile faded and said, "Yeah, I've heard of her too..." Jeez, I thought. :thinking:

In reading up on Idaho's home built camp trailer laws and a bit of Googling, I've come to conclude that the titling of a "Specially Constructed Vehicle" in Idaho (which includes camp trailers) is for two purposes. The first is to make sure one is not running a teardrop chop shop or trying to launder a stolen tear. The second reason is to squeeze sales tax for any out'a state purchases.

Last week I emailed her, the MVI, and sent her several build pictures and a 13 page PDF of most of my major receipts. I'd kept the majority of my receipts along with a spreadsheet of dang near every thing I'd purchased. After a short talk on the phone we agreed to an inspection date.

Prior to the three hour drive (towing Flash), I split the spreadsheet into two documents: The first was for those items that I'd paid the Idaho (6%) sales tax on and the second was for those items I had not –Montana, Amazon, and eBay mostly.

I was curious about what she would look like. Who was I really dealing with? Was she going to measure my trailer width and make sure I had the over-eighty lighting stuff? Was she going to check the tensile strength of my safety chains with her massive forearms? :o

When I arrived at the MVI's office, she did a quick teardrop walk around. She said she'd printed out the photos I'd sent and they would go in my file –I think those photos helped. She wanted to look at my Idaho driver's license (forget it if you' don't live here). We then sat down and I showed her the two spreadsheets. She looked them over, filled out a couple of forms, I signed an affidavit swearing the trailer was highway legal, wrote her out a check for the sales tax and some administrative costs. She attached a VIN on the teardrop, gave me copies and I was done.

It was easy. I think it was because of my documentation: Build photographs, receipts, and those damn spread sheets!

My next adventure will be with Hartford Insurance. I'll post that too.

Tony

On the Title Highway:
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p.s. I don't know what the big deal over her is all about. She was polite and proffessional throughtout the process. No black uniform or SS tats on her neck. :thumbsup:
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Re: Titling in Idaho –my experience

Postby pchast » Thu Oct 17, 2013 10:43 pm

Thanks for the report Tony. It was very helpful.
:D
You were well prepared and provided info ahead of the
actual inspection. Both good points, I'm starting to
compile that spreadsheet now since I can't get out and
work on building the trailer right now. I'm still uncertain
about titling here in NY but feel better about it having
read about a couple of such experiences.
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Re: Titling in Idaho –my experience

Postby GerryS » Fri Oct 18, 2013 5:04 am

Your wisdom in following the money saved a bunch of headache :). How do they handle title transfers from other states? I'm considering a move out west, and am curious what new headaches I will find....
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Re: Titling in Idaho –my experience

Postby les45 » Fri Oct 18, 2013 8:49 am

South Carolina also has a home built title/licensing process. I used it once to title a Cushman Eagle motor scooter and it was a complicated process (made more complicated by DMV workers who didn't have a clue). I started to go that route with my weekender but decided against it. We also have to deal with the DMV home office and not the local folks. It turned out that my weekender is still just a utility trailer in the eyes of the State as long as it doesn't have a built in toilet which would make it a camper. I took my Chinese Certificate of Origin for my NT trailer down to the local DMV office and was able to get a utility trailer title and permanent tag with no property taxes. Before embarking on the home built route, check to see if your state considers a teardrop to be a utility trailer.
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Re: Titling in Idaho –my experience

Postby tony.latham » Fri Oct 18, 2013 10:38 am

GerryS wrote:Your wisdom in following the money saved a bunch of headache :). How do they handle title transfers from other states? I'm considering a move out west, and am curious what new headaches I will find....


Gerry:

Assuming you have a titled trailer, the process in Idaho should be simple. Show up at the county you live in, and they'll issue a registration/plate. They'll also have to do a VIN inspection. No big deal. No light or hitch inspections or anything along that line. This is the wild west.

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Re: Titling in Idaho –my experience

Postby robfisher » Fri Oct 18, 2013 10:56 am

tony.latham wrote:Today I jumped through the hoops of titling my teardrop in Idaho and thought I'd share my journey. After all, during my building faze, I used this forum like a guy milking a Herford that had six kids to feed. I don't! But it's time to give a little back.

Halfway through my build I stopped in at the county motor vehicle office and asked them about the process. When I mentioned "homemade camp trailer" the gal's eyes got wide, she brought her hand up to her mouth and said, "Oh," while slowly shaking her head, "we don't do that here, your going to have to get ahold of her." The word her was spoken with emphasis –as if her was somekind of lengendary entity of some sort. The clerk dug into her drawer and handed me a business card. I looked at it and saw below the person's name was the title: "Idaho Motor Vehicle Investigator" in big bold print with an address three hours away in Idaho Falls. I was also informed that the investigator would have to inspect the finished build and she rarely "came up to Salmon." I sent the MVI an email and was told that she would have to look at my receipts and that "each SPCV titling process is different." That last phrase left me with a chill. Different? :shock:

I mentioned this to a long-time deputy friend of mine. His eyes squinted down, his smile faded and said, "Yeah, I've heard of her too..." Jeez, I thought. :thinking:

In reading up on Idaho's home built camp trailer laws and a bit of Googling, I've come to conclude that the titling of a "Specially Constructed Vehicle" in Idaho (which includes camp trailers) is for two purposes. The first is to make sure one is not running a teardrop chop shop or trying to launder a stolen tear. The second reason is to squeeze sales tax for any out'a state purchases.

Last week I emailed her, the MVI, and sent her several build pictures and a 13 page PDF of most of my major receipts. I'd kept the majority of my receipts along with a spreadsheet of dang near every thing I'd purchased. After a short talk on the phone we agreed to an inspection date.

Prior to the three hour drive (towing Flash), I split the spreadsheet into two documents: The first was for those items that I'd paid the Idaho (6%) sales tax on and the second was for those items I had not –Montana, Amazon, and eBay mostly.

I was curious about what she would look like. Who was I really dealing with? Was she going to measure my trailer width and make sure I had the over-eighty lighting stuff? Was she going to check the tensile strength of my safety chains with her massive forearms? :o

When I arrived at the MVI's office, she did a quick teardrop walk around. She said she'd printed out the photos I'd sent and they would go in my file –I think those photos helped. She wanted to look at my Idaho driver's license (forget it if you' don't live here). We then sat down and I showed her the two spreadsheets. She looked them over, filled out a couple of forms, I signed an affidavit swearing the trailer was highway legal, wrote her out a check for the sales tax and some administrative costs. She attached a VIN on the teardrop, gave me copies and I was done.

It was easy. I think it was because of my documentation: Build photographs, receipts, and those damn spread sheets!

My next adventure will be with Hartford Insurance. I'll post that too.

Tony

On the Title Highway:
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p.s. I don't know what the big deal over her is all about. She was polite and proffessional throughtout the process. No black uniform or SS tats on her neck. :thumbsup:


Having worked with "her" myself a couple of times and in talking to many friends who has worked with "her" I have not had or ever heard of anyone having a hard time. In light of current government stupidities at all levels I only wish the the rest of them could be half as professional, half as helpful, half as level headed as the "Investigator."

Once, she tracked down a title I never received. The trail was several years old, led across three states of shifty dealings, and thought I would never see that title again. Took her all of two weeks to put the title in my hand. We need more like her.
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Re: Titling in Idaho –my experience

Postby jss06 » Fri Oct 18, 2013 11:07 am

Sounds like the experience I had here in Dallas. I also had everything documented. I spent more time discussing what I planned on doing with it then them verifying it was not stollen.
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Re: Titling in Idaho –my experience

Postby roadinspector » Fri Oct 18, 2013 11:18 am

Never have Titled a home/shop built travel trailer in Texas, but a shop built is gravy. All they want to know is how much its rated to haul, write them a check & you walk out with your new tags.
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Re: Titling in Idaho –my experience

Postby GerryS » Fri Oct 18, 2013 7:42 pm

Something that might have helped, is that Maine is supposedly easy to register in....Pete you seeing this? Maybe you can elaborate...
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Re: Titling in Idaho –my experience

Postby mustangcats » Sat Oct 19, 2013 5:58 am

Getting my homemade travel trailer titled and registered in Iowa was relatively easy. I had to have the trailer weighed then the Motor Vehicle Investigator came to my house to look at the trailer. He wanted a copy of the weight ticket and the only receipt he cared about was the receipt for the frame and axle. He measured the trailer, took my drivers license and went into his car and entered the information into his laptop. A few minutes later he handed me a printout of the papers to take to the county courthouse. He then stamped a state issued VIN# on the tongue of the trailer and attached a corresponding sticker. The key to getting a trailer titled and registered without delays is to know the rules ahead of time instead of just showing up at the courthouse or wherever you go to register vehicles in your state.
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Re: Titling in Idaho –my experience

Postby Wolffarmer » Sun Oct 20, 2013 12:24 am

What Idaho are you talking about?

When I got the license for my home built in 2007 it went pretty much like this. I stepped to the counter and told the gal there I wanted to license my home built trailer.

She "Does it weigh less that 1500 lbs or more"
Me "Under 1500 lbs "
She "What color is it?"
Me "Brown"
She " Would you like a 2 year plate for $10 or a 10 year plate for $35 ( I think it was those prices)?"
Me "The ten year plate please"

no title needed for a small trailer. Notice I did not say camper and she did not ask.

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Re: Titling in Idaho –my experience

Postby Vedette » Sun Oct 20, 2013 1:05 am

Glad we don't have "Titles" here in Canada! :applause:
My process went exactly like Randy's (except the girl behind the counter did not ask what color it was).
They do ask what approximate value of the trailer is.
Took all of 10 minutes or less.
But because everything seems to cost more on this side of the 49th. It cost me $30.00 for my insurance and plate for one year.
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Re: Titling in Idaho –my experience

Postby tony.latham » Sun Oct 20, 2013 1:26 am

Randy:

Yes, I could have registered it as a utility trailer and I'm quite sure I would never had been cited for fictitious display-unless it was involved in a wreck. And it would have saved me some money to choose the route you took.

One of my goals on this was to get it insured with as little wiggle room for an insurance adjuster as possible. The other was that I wanted a title.

Hartford made it clear that they would need a VIN and a model listed on a title (not a registration). Idaho listed my model type as "Camp" on the title.

And to answer your question; I live in the Idaho west of Montana.

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Re: Titling in Idaho –my experience

Postby Wolffarmer » Sun Oct 20, 2013 8:53 pm

The Idaho west of Montana, and Wyoming is the best.

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Re: Titling in Idaho –my experience

Postby KennethW » Sun Oct 20, 2013 9:34 pm

I went with utility trailer in MN. Isn't a teardrop just a utility trailer with a enclosed box as cargo that a person could haul a mattress in. Utility= permanent tag camper= a plate that has to be renewed.
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