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A simple stink free toilet

Postby pinkelephant » Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:21 pm

I made a toilet starting with a lugable loo that doesn't stink and has some weight so it doesn't knock over and so it feels better when you use it. I watched all the YouTube videos related to this subject and I didn't find anybody doing it like this.
No RV toilet paper.
No septic perfumes and when you're done, you're done.
There is no "cassette" full of poop that you have to wash out.
With this kind of toilet setup, you can throw away anything because it's going in the trash. You can throw anything in that won't poke a hole in the bag (like diapers, feminine items, baby wipes, beer cans... ).

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If you put six 13 gallon kitchen garbage bags inside of it. You use the toilet, take off the toilet seat, tie up the bag with as little air as possible and drop it back into the toilet. This solves the condensation problems and 89% of the smell. When I say tie it up, I'm not talking about the drawstrings, I wrap it around my hand and I tie a knot using the whole bag like it was a rope. When you use it again, that bag is inside of the next bag you tie up. Then the next one and then the next one. Double bag the last one that goes in the trash.
When you are done you have a fairly solid bag that doesn't act like a bag with 2 gallons of yellow water. They sell $2 bags for these things that is just a trash bag glued to a ziplock bag. 13 gallon garbage bags cost about 15 cents each. If one leaks you can see it leaked into the next bag and you can just knot that bag as well. If it leaks into the bucket, you can wash out the bucket.

 This is the best solution for the money (for me). I could give you pictures of the knotted bags but I assume this description paints the picture well.
If you don't knot the bags like I described the toilet seat and lid get covered with condensation from inside the toilet. I will leave one for 15 to 20 minutes for other people to use before I knot it, but not longer than that. If it does get condensated, I wipe everything down with two baby wipes and throw them in and then it's ready to use. Don't forget to wipe under the seat. That's a lot of surface area and the condensation is trapping smells.

I have buckets from all the big box stores. I started with a Lowes bucket because it's a neutral color
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I dropped a 10 pound barbell weight inside
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I found a smaller bucket (Menards plaster bucket) that fits inside well. I chopped off the top on a table saw. I then scraped the inside of the cut edge with a box cutter to remove any sharp edges that may poke a bag.
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I dropped it in and stepped on it. If I want it back out, I flip it over and bang it on a hard surface till the weight pushes it out
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I fill it with six 13 gallon bags and slap on the lid.
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This is another toilet I use for camping. The tent has more room so I have a seperate bucket with a lid. The lid isn't sealed. It's just set on top to hold in the odors. The used bags get dropped in there and then get bagged later for disposable.
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Re: A simple stink free toilet

Postby pinkelephant » Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:24 pm

The above post was getting too long so I put my thought process and learning curve in this comment:
My six-year-old rides in a semi truck with me and we also go camping.
I was leaning towards a cassette toilet but then I watched the videos of people cleaning out a cassette toilet and I wasn't sure I wanted to play that game.
My first toilet was the Reliance hassock toilet.
When I'm driving in the truck, I need a toilet that she can use without getting contaminated with the stuff that's inside of the toilet. So I need a user-friendly system. The original design is just a bucket with a bag and a toilet seat. You close the toilet seat and it keeps most of the smells inside. Inside of a closed system like a semi or I would guess a teardrop, that doesn't work very well. It stinks like hell.
After the second time my (then) four-year-old knocked it over, I knew I needed to rethink this.
There were also too many steps involved in getting it ready:
*Remove the outer lid and turn it upside down.
*Pick up the toilet seat and hold it up while you remove the inner lid that is all covered with condensation on the bottom.
*Then put the inner lid upside down inside of the outer lid while it's covered with all that smelly condensation.
*Then you put down the toilet seat and you have a toilet you can use.
The next steps involve picking up the inner lid without getting  the condensation on your hand. If you put the lid on the outer lid  right side up you then have condensation on the outer lid . There are no good Solutions. It's a contaminating mess, especially when you're asking a child to do it without supervision.
This is the solution I came up with.
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Re: A simple stink free toilet

Postby edgeau » Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:05 pm

Simple and effective

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Re: A simple stink free toilet

Postby Squigie » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:05 pm

Made something very similar for the wife - albeit for outdoor use - almost exactly 10 years ago.
Home depot bucket. Lowe's bucket lid, trimmed to fit a toilet seat. Cheapest non-plastic toilet seat I could find ($6 at the time). 8 brass screws (slower corrosion from splatter) to mount the toilet seat to the bucket lid.
The Lowe's bucket lid was for a 'looser' seal than the 'Homer' lid intended for the bucket. It made bag changes easier, and prevented tears / piercing.

Throw some rocks in the bottom when it gets set up, and it won't tip.

Oh! And a dowel and two short sections of scrap copper pipe (spacers) were used to hold the toilet lid and seat together, since the application did not employ hinges that typically did that job for that particular toilet seat.

We also used trash compactor bags. Much more tear resistant. Much better odor containment.

Unfortunately for her, I accidentally knocked that pooper off of 7-foot high shelf in the garage this Spring. The toilet lid exploded into a thousand pieces, the bucket lid ("ring") tore, and the bucket cracked. But the seat was fine. :roll: I haven't put another one together, yet.
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Re: A simple stink free toilet

Postby les45 » Tue Aug 06, 2019 2:59 am

Mine is even simpler but we only use it for #1 at night as we camp at state parks with bath houses for most of our other needs. Five gallon bucket with a cheap plastic toilet seat on top. Plastic bag inside with about a quart of kitty litter (I make up several of the kitty litter bags in one gallon zip locks). The used toilet bag goes to the trash daily.
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Re: A simple stink free toilet

Postby Spotman » Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:52 am

:thinking: Some of the best ideas I have seen on here. Will be doing this for my outside potty tent with the teardrop. Thanks everyone.
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Re: A simple stink free toilet

Postby swoody126 » Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:37 pm

the bucket method of taking care of human needs comes up a lot in several forums i frequent

w/ the advent of the seat/lid made specically for the infamouse 5 gal bucket(also fits the 3.5 gal model) and some really good kitchen trash bags no one should have to go out in the cold or in populated areas to squat

long before i started driving a big truck i started using fabric softener/liquid detergent bottles while camping and in deer stands

their WIDE bottoms help keep them from tumping over and when the pour spout is removed the opening at the top is large enuff for safe use even in the dark

the bridal unit has gone to using the large economy sized bottles of laundry products and regularly saves them for me

for the women there is an adapter that provides good aim for the bottle opening and can even be used in more compromising situations

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the plastic laundry product bottles have the aroma of their products well imbedded in them and w/ simple rinsing can last a couple weeks w/o becoming an olfactory issue ;-)

now... as for more substantial human waste a boat designer/builder acquaintance has come up w/ a very inexpensive method of continued use of the bucket system even in warmer climes(all the way from Canada to the Texas gulf coast at one stretch)

since my computer and this forum software aren't playing nice w/ each other i'll just offer a link and let you read/see for yourself how he and his wife manage in a boat for about a week at a time

http://www.roydesignedthat.com/composting-toilet.html

btw, i visited them in their boat on the south Texas coast after they'd been on the road camping in her for a week and intentionally stuck my head around behind the curtain to check it out and there was NO ODOR

i personally used Roy's sawdust/pete moss method on a 3 day boat trip in June on the Texas gulf coast and was pleasantly rewarded w/ NO ODOR

i suppose(no personal experience) the above method employing kitty litter w/ the odor eating granules in it could work just as well

BON CHANCE

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Re: A simple stink free toilet

Postby NotJammer » Tue Aug 06, 2019 3:11 pm

All good ideas. I will copy as best I can.

I like the double bucket and barbell with compactor bags.

There are far worse for the environment solutions.

I have long used bottles for #1. :beer:

#2 is the problem.
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Re: A simple stink free toilet

Postby KTM_Guy » Tue Aug 06, 2019 3:40 pm

We have been using a pota-potty and it’s not bad for weekend trips. I’ll try to dump it in a forest service outhouse. Not a fan of dumping it at home. It fits in the tongue box fine but it adds a fair abound of weight to the tongue. When camping in the desert it doesn’t make sense to haul water and then dump it in the ports-potty. We have been collecting the stuff to make a dry bucket toilet. We’ll give it a try in a few weeks on our North Rim trip.

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Re: A simple stink free toilet

Postby DaddyJeep » Wed Aug 07, 2019 11:25 am

swoody126 wrote:
now... as for more substantial human waste a boat designer/builder acquaintance has come up w/ a very inexpensive method of continued use of the bucket system even in warmer climes(all the way from Canada to the Texas gulf coast at one stretch)

since my computer and this forum software aren't playing nice w/ each other i'll just offer a link and let you read/see for yourself how he and his wife manage in a boat for about a week at a time

http://www.roydesignedthat.com/composting-toilet.html

btw, i visited them in their boat on the south Texas coast after they'd been on the road camping in her for a week and intentionally stuck my head around behind the curtain to check it out and there was NO ODOR

i personally used Roy's sawdust/pete moss method on a 3 day boat trip in June on the Texas gulf coast and was pleasantly rewarded w/ NO ODOR

i suppose(no personal experience) the above method employing kitty litter w/ the odor eating granules in it could work just as well

BON CHANCE

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I was planning on the "typical" porty potty when I get back to getting my camper done, but i will most definitely be spinning off of your buddy Roy's design instead. I really dreaded dealing with the liquid waste and the floaties within it. I am thinking that the location where the water storage bowl on a conventional toilet would be is a perfect spot for the sawdust and peat moss mixture. Now, it just came to me as I type, how about following along with the design of those mason jar candy dispensers to "flush" without even having to handle the mixture... like this https://www.instructables.com/id/The-Aw ... nser-Ever/
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Re: A simple stink free toilet

Postby pinkelephant » Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:47 am

Walmart sells their own version of the luggable loo toilet seat. It's the exact same seat. $12 in the camping section
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Re: A simple stink free toilet

Postby swoody126 » Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:50 am

pinkelephant wrote:Walmart sells their own version of the luggable loo toilet seat. It's the exact same seat. $12 in the camping section


i tried that seat and itsa bit small for this old ARDUSS BOTTOMUSS MAXIMUSS

that'z another reason i like Roy's design

ALSO been pondering the use of a 3.5 gal bucket and a foot well between the frame rails ±

factor in the use of HD kitchen trash bags(mentioned above) and a separate 3.5gal bucket for the raw sawdust n peatmoss mixture and for a couple an every other day cycle should be quite manageable/doable for any sensibilities

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Re: A simple stink free toilet

Postby JuneBug » Thu Aug 08, 2019 7:53 pm

Hate to be a party pooper (!) but it's important to review the legality of how and where to dispose of human waste, especially in Forest Service/BLM/public trash containers or dumpsters.

Human pee absorbed in kitty litter, contained in plastic bags? Not so much of a problem.
Human poop? Different story.
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Re: A simple stink free toilet

Postby working on it » Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:32 pm

for use outside, and going #1 or #2
swoody126 wrote:the bucket method of taking care of human needs comes up a lot in several forums i frequent

w/ the advent of the seat/lid made specically for the infamouse 5 gal bucket(also fits the 3.5 gal model) and some really good kitchen trash bags no one should have to go out in the cold or in populated areas to squat...

i personally used Roy's sawdust/pete moss method on a 3 day boat trip in June on the Texas gulf coast and was pleasantly rewarded w/ NO ODOR

i suppose(no personal experience) the above method employing kitty litter w/ the odor eating granules in it could work just as well....

* I looked all over for a lid for 5-gallon buckets, to make my own porta-potty, but I drove way out of my way to a REI to purchase a Luggable Loo from them (at quite a markup I must add). I found that the Double Doodie bags worked ok with it, but sometimes you only need to pee, so I carry the magic kitty-litter along (I bury it at home, in the back 1/2 acre, when the trip's over). But, it can get a bit heavy. After I use up the remainder of my kitty litter (we had leftover supplies from our ex-cats), I'll be switching to peat moss in my bucket.


for going #1 inside, when it's raining hard
swoody126 wrote: using fabric softener/liquid detergent bottles while camping and in deer stands

their WIDE bottoms help keep them from tumping over

* I tried that, and still managed to spill a bit, so I crafted a Nighttime Urinal System. It uses a 1.375" ID tube thru the floor into a vented 5-gallon former gas can, hidden on the ground behind a wheel. It contains some fabric softener to obscure any odor, and the upper end of the tube is sealed after use by using a rubber stopper (first rinsing it with a bottle of water). It works better than the bottle method for me, and I even have a form-fitting funnel attached to make it splash-proof.
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Re: A simple stink free toilet

Postby KTM_Guy » Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:23 pm

JuneBug wrote:Hate to be a party pooper (!) but it's important to review the legality of how and where to dispose of human waste, especially in Forest Service/BLM/public trash containers or dumpsters.

Human pee absorbed in kitty litter, contained in plastic bags? Not so much of a problem.
Human poop? Different story.


Do you know of a specific place where this would be legal? The only time I have seen anything about garbage is for 1# propane tanks, and there would be a separate container for them.

What would be the deference between and small plastic bag of poop/paper and a full diaper? When you look at Wagg Bags they they can be thrown in the garbage can.

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