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Another bend on annealing

Postby tonyj » Mon Aug 14, 2006 12:02 am

Another long post.

I started experimenting with annealing and bending months ago since I was planning a tight 4 in radius on my doors. By accident I found that cutting one leg of my ¾ in angle to 5/16ths (confirmed a couple of days later in a Madjack post) resulted in a smooth bend with little distortion, twist, or rippling. I built a bending jig to ease the process so I could make precise bends. Imagine my surprise when I couldn’t find any candles that would soot the aluminum (at least around my house). Since I don’t have an oxy/acetylene rig, and I didn’t want to just guess, I searched the web and found this article and the reference to the Tempilstick. http://www.tinmantech.com/html/aluminum_alloys_continued.php

I liked the idea of using a product that melted at a precise temperature as opposed to guessing on how much soot to apply and burn off.

I don’t know the specific alloy designation of the aluminum found in the big box stores that I have been using, but I decided to try a Tempilstik rated at 650 degrees and ordered it from Drago Supply. For me, it worked with only one snag in the learning process. Since the stick didn’t come with directions I tried applying first, heating up, and expecting to see some color change. Nope. Crusted aluminum. My next try worked by heating the angle and frequently drawing on the aluminum until it left a black mark, indicating the stick was melting at 650 degrees. Working on 2 to 3 inches at a time, I found it took about15 to 20 seconds the heat to the proper temp where the stick left its mark. After annealing the piece, I used the air gun on the compressor to cool the piece-in 30 to 45 seconds.

My angle is 1/16 and I am using a small torch with Mapp gas. I anneal on the inside of the piece aiming my flame into the inside corner where I figured the metal is thickest. The black can be cleaned off, but I am lazy and it will never be seen. The Tempilstick cost about $9.50.

Here is the picture of the Tempilsick in use (recreated—can’t torch and draw and take pictures all at the same time!) Image

Here is a picture of my bending jig . .
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. . . and making the final blows with the mallet to flatten the piece.
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Finished product . . .
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The jig works for making both my door trim (4 in radius) and the body side door trim (4-1/4 in radius). By the way, the 5/16 leg around the door opening became 7/16 inch beacuse of a stupid fabrication mistake.
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Postby madjack » Mon Aug 14, 2006 1:11 am

...excellent post Tony, I knew about the sticks but just used a propane log lighter instead and sooted as lightly as possible...it is not necessary to soot the entire piece, just a line down the center will work just fine...as it disappears, the flame will go orange on my fat headed propane torch...really like your bending jig also...we just used a form and two sets of hands...your jig would free up one of us to do something else...
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Postby asianflava » Mon Aug 14, 2006 1:40 am

That is one slick bending jig, kinda like a press brake. :applause:

After the angle cooled, I put it on the trailer and beat it into submission with a deadblow mallet. That explains why it is a little wavy in a few places.
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Postby tonyj » Mon Aug 21, 2006 10:44 pm

Here are pics of wider door opening trim I bent and installed this past weekend. Since my walls are 1-3/4 thick, the 3/4 angle and 3/4 flat I was going to use would have left a small gap in the inside to collect water. I broke down and bought 2x2 and cut it down to 7/16x 1-1/2.

Here is the bend:
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Here is the rough install:
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And another view:Image
This picture shows the upper opening trim as originally installed and the new wider trim.

This is the third and final trim build! On the first try, the 5/16 exterior leg didn't cover the screw holes left when SOME IDIOT put some temporary screws around the door opening and didn't put them close enough to the opening to be concealed. I didn't like the looks of the second try with the two bands of trim and lots of screws. I think the final wide version will let me sleep at night.

Now here is the real bonehead story. I cut my 4 pieces of wide trim (in 100 degree heat), marked my centerlines, measured out to the centerlines of my radius corners and marked the area to anneal. By the way, it is hot in my workshop. I do the annealing and take the first piece to bend. It is really hot in this barn! I line up the centerline and start the bend and it is hard! Must not have hit the temperature. Boy, it's hot. Maybe if I push a little harder--yes, there it bends, but it is still tough. Keep pushing, hold in place and pound it in to submission. Pull it out of the bending jig--looks great. But that leg looks too long. Where is the black from the Tempilstik? Oh, CRAP! :x I just bent the piece on the centerline mark, not the corner radius mark. Determined not to loose this piece (at $22 a joint), I go back and anneal it and bend it flat--sort of. The seventeenth law of physics is that any material, once bent in the wrong place, can not be returned to its original pristine flat and square shape without lots of skill, pressure, or return trip to Home Depot. In my defense, it was 101 degrees and I lose all but autonomic nerve and muscle functions past 96 degrees.

But my jig sure made a pretty bend in cold aluminum angle! Didn't know I could do that!
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Postby Mightydog » Mon Aug 21, 2006 10:56 pm

That sure answers a bunch of quesions about how we were going to go about this part of the job. Good ideas that are well worth stealing!

Of course, I like this picture in some odd way...
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Postby mikeschn » Tue Aug 22, 2006 4:23 am

Good job on the jig Tony...

That reminds me of a school project I did years ago... We had to bend a piece of round tubing. Of course that project did not take into account the twising of angle when you bend it.

Yours is definitely a keeper!

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Postby emiller » Tue Aug 22, 2006 1:46 pm

Very cool thanks for the pictures :thumbsup:
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Postby Darren » Thu Nov 23, 2006 9:15 pm

tonyj - Can you give me a link or part number for the 650 Tempilstick? I've searched the Drago Supply website but havent been able to locate them. I did find them on another site but they want $10 shipping. :?

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Postby Podunkfla » Fri Nov 24, 2006 2:22 am

Victor Star wrote:tonyj - Can you give me a link or part number for the 650 Tempilstick? I've searched the Drago Supply website but havent been able to locate them. I did find them on another site but they want $10 shipping. :?

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Here is the link: http://www.dragosupply.com/drago/servle ... od=1088937
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Postby Darren » Fri Nov 24, 2006 11:14 am

Thank you very much.
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Postby tonyj » Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:22 pm

Sorry Victor and than you, Brick. I am on vacation right now and don´t have daily computer access. That looks like the right link and right price for the tempilstik I ordered.

I found that the marks I made on the aluminum with pencil (#2 lead) would disappear when the heat came close to the temp where the stick would melt, so it was a good indicator that the temp was close. See if that works for you, too.
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Postby Darren » Tue Jan 02, 2007 1:50 pm

I tried several different methods with the indicator stick and came up with this. I used a metal file to put down a thin layer of dust on the inside of the aluminum.

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Then I heated the trim from the back side until the dust either melts of just evaporates, depends on how thick the dust is.

This is how it looks half way finished.
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Worked pretty good for me hope it helps someone out.
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