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Postby daveww » Sun Dec 30, 2007 6:28 pm

:o What is the best way to put plywood together whether I use 1/2 plywood or smaller?
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Postby PaulC » Sun Dec 30, 2007 9:22 pm

Dave, how long is a piece of string 8)

Let's see, scarf joint, butt joint with a brace behind it, etc.

Expand on your construction and we should be able to come up with a sensible suggestion for you.

Are you doing a single skin build?

Maybe a double skin?

What thickness ply?

What size design?

See what I mean ;)

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Postby tonyj » Mon Dec 31, 2007 1:13 am

This is a method I read about that worked great. Called a finger joint or puzzle joint. This was done with 1/8, should work great with 1/4 to 1/2:

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Cowabunga, that's a neato plywood stretcher ya got, Tony!

Postby Esteban » Mon Dec 31, 2007 2:27 am

Tony, very cool!. Is it easy to do? Did you epoxy the finger joints together? Do you need to fiberglass tape them too? Where'd you get the tool? Will you please, please give us a short lesson on how you do it? Sorry for (being such a pest with) all the questions - this is an all new way to join plywood. Looks like a good way to stretch plwood for sides and the roof. :applause: :applause: :applause: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Postby tonyj » Mon Dec 31, 2007 3:21 am

Not hard at all.

The template is from a cheapo harbor freight dovetail jig. I used epoxy, but Titebond might work just as well (and dry a little faster, too). No tape needed. The joint is very strong without it.

The first critical step is in matching the ends. You will stack and cut both pieces at the same time. Sandwich the two sheets so the good sides are either placed together or on the outsides. Some people offset one sheet by one-half the measure of the width of one of the fingers on the template, but I didn't and don't think it is necessary.EDIT: You may have to offset the top and bottom sheet by 1/2 the width of the finger. The best way to determine this is to trace the template across the width of the sheet to make sure you don't have a full matching width finger on each side. Then adjust the start point to make sure you have a valley on the other side of the sheet that corresponds to the first finger .

This is one of two critical steps. Place a straight edge across the sheets equal to the depth of the template and clamp in place so the temple finger tips are at the end of the sheets. (The first photo shows the straightedge pulled back from the template--the template should ride along the straightedge). Check this measurement by sliding the template from one side to the other and making sure the tips of the fingers of the template are exactly on the edge all the way across.

Clamp the template so that a full finger is at the edge. Using a router with a flush cut bit with bearing, cut the fingers to the end of the temple, or as far as your clamps will allow. This is the next critical step--move the template and re-clamp making sure to overlap one or two previously cut fingers to make sure the alignment of the template is correct. Repeat this procedure across the sheet until all the fingers are cut. The whole process can be done in about 5 to 10 minutes.

When finished, do not--repeat--do not dry fit the pieces as the joint will be tight and trying to take the dry fitted joint apart will most likely break fingers or damage the ply. Using a brush, coat the finger edges with glue and fit the sheets together. Use a mallet or a hammer and board to fit the fingers together. Let the glue dry and you are done. You can actually move the piece around before the glue has dried, but why rush it.

The pros to this joint--it is fast and strong. You really don't even need any backing battens or framing behind it. The cons are the possibility of misaligning the fingers in which case pieces cannot be put together at all. But I had success on my first and second try.

The biggest pro for this joint--if it is left visible, all your friends and neighbors will think you are some kind of wood joint craftsman! You don't have to admit it was not that hard. Another benefit, as you can see from the second photo, I was able to change the orientation of the ply to get the bendy side on the ply on the front radius of my tear in that 4 foot section. That piece was the outer layer for my top and went from the bottom front to the hatch hinge.
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Postby Esteban » Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:23 am

Thanks Tony. :thumbsup: :applause: Looks like another trip to Harbor Freight may be coming up (hope clamps are on sale again). An important step I learned (read) from Steve Frederick is to put waxed paper :thumbsup: under the glue joint so you don't glue the plywood :thumbdown: to your work surface.
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Postby Joseph » Mon Dec 31, 2007 6:32 am

PaulC wrote:Dave, how long is a piece of string

How Long is a Chinaman...

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Postby Mentor58 » Thu Jan 03, 2008 1:14 pm

That is 'zactly the trick I was looking for on my build. Quick, Easy, almost foolproof, (if you do the setup right). Thanks a bunch for sharing it

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Postby SmokeyBob » Thu Jan 03, 2008 2:47 pm

tonyj wrote:You will stack and cut both pieces at the same time. Sandwich the two sheets so the good sides are either placed together or on the outsides. Some people offset one sheet by one-half the measure of the width of one of the fingers on the template, but I didn't and don't think it is necessary.


I don't understand. If you cut both pieces at the same time, how do the edges of the plywood line up when you put them together. Wouldn't it be off by one finger joint.
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Postby tonyj » Thu Jan 03, 2008 3:10 pm

If you look at the first picture, you can see the full finger on the first cut. When I cut all the way across, the other edge had the matching valley. When the top sheet is flipped over side to side (not end to end) the finger matches the valley, and I think that will happen regardless of the width of the fingers and valleys cut. If you want to flip end to end, then you have to offset one sheet by the width of the first finger before you make the cut. In the second picture you can make out the full finger on one side and the valley on the other.

I had a hard time comprehending the mechanics from the written instructions until I cut a test piece in a couple of scrap sheets and the process (and lots of potential mistakes) became very clear. I was surprised how simple the process was after I did the test piece, and then just had to calm the butterflies when I went to cut the real sheets.
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Postby tonyj » Thu Jan 03, 2008 3:32 pm

And maybe I got lucky on the combination of the spacing on the template and plywood to have a full finger on one side and a full valley on the other. Just tried to do it with a sheet of paper and was off a half finger. So . . .

Let's amend the instructions to say you will probably need to offset the top and bottom sheet by 1/2 the width of the finger. See the edited instructions above.
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Postby SmokeyBob » Thu Jan 03, 2008 5:50 pm

Thank you Tony, That helps clear it up.
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