My version of back hatch supports

[BillZ]

For those of you who don't know, I purchased my Tear from forum member B. Bodemer early this spring. My wife and I have thoroughly enjoyed taking it camping.

After spending some time in the tear, we decided on a few changes and additions to this wonderful teardrop to customize it for ourselves.

One thing I want to do is build wooden drawers and bottom cupboards in the galley. But before I did, I needed to change the hatch supports so they wouldn't be in the way. After consulting this forum many times, I came up with a fairly simple design that I think will work for us.

This tear is very well made and designed so I took as much care as my meager talents could muster and tried to make something that followed the look of the tear and also could be removed without too much trouble in case it turned out that we didn't like it.

Original broomstick supports:


My wife is not blessed with upper body strength and she had some trouble with holding the hatch open and installing the broom handles by herself so I decided to go with a hinged design that hinges at the top. When the hatch is opened, the supports can swing down and fall pretty much in place. Out of a scrap piece of red oak 1X I made "receivers" with a pin to hold the uprights in place.







The receivers sit on the counter and 2 #6 screws attach it to the wall. This pic shows the receiver in place before being screwed to the wall.



I then used a scrap piece of solid maple 1x2 for the uprights. I cut the angle at the top end to match the curve of the hatch, cut to the length that I wanted, then took a small portion off the top to attach to the hatch. This small piece is the only permanent addition to make this design work and it would be hardly noticeable if we decided to not use it in the future. I removed the paint and primer at the point of contact and glued it to the spar so all the pressure of contact would not be on the 1/4" hatch skin.






Then I painted the uprights and finished the receivers and pins to match the rest of the galley and attached the uprights to the top support with a simple hinge.







I haven't yet worked out a permanent way to hold the supports when the hatch is down. right now, they are just held up with a bungee on the crosspiece you can see in the center of the hatch. Oh, and I plan to leash the pins with some type of string or wire so they stay near the receivers.

[Deryk the Pirate]

Looks Great!

[gregp136]

Excellent!!

[starleen2]

cool re - fit of the galley struts

[absolutsnwbrdr]

Nice work! They fit in perfectly! How do you keep them folded up for travel?

[chartle]

I haven't yet worked out a permanent way to hold the supports when the hatch is down. right now, they are just held up with a bungee on the crosspiece you can see in the center of the hatch. Oh, and I plan to leash the pins with some type of string or wire so they stay near the receivers.

Just found these forums a few days ago and didn't think my first post was answering a question but here goes.

How close are the two supports when folded? If they are close you could use a singe wooden turnbuckle attached the crosspiece that is already on the hatch to hold them both up.

The issue I see though is that you would need twp people to fold them up, one to hold the hatch and one to fold them both up at the same time.

So I would use two turnbuckles one for each leg. It also looks like you would have to add an angled piece to wood so these turnbuckles would be at the right angle to match up with the legs.

One quick question. Why did you angle the pins? To maybe make it easier to get you fingers around them?

[aggie79]

Nice retrofit! I like the simplicity and effectiveness of your design.

As far as how to hold the supports when they are in travel position, perhaps cabinet door latches, either magnetic or physical, could be used for this purpose.

[chartle]

As far as how to hold the supports when they are in travel position, perhaps cabinet door latches, either magnetic or physical, could be used for this purpose.

I was thinking that also maybe a roller catch

[BillZ]

Just found these forums a few days ago and didn't think my first post was answering a question but here goes.

How close are the two supports when folded? If they are close you could use a singe wooden turnbuckle attached the crosspiece that is already on the hatch to hold them both up.

Welcome to the forum chartle! The supports when folded in actually overlap each other by about 2 or 3".

The issue I see though is that you would need twp people to fold them up, one to hold the hatch and one to fold them both up at the same time.

I hope to come up with a solution that enables one to fold the uprights one at a time so you only have to hold the hatch when folding the second one.

So I would use two turnbuckles one for each leg. It also looks like you would have to add an angled piece to wood so these turnbuckles would be at the right angle to match up with the legs.

I have considered something similar. The main concern is I don't want anything sticking down that I would hit my head on while standing under the open hatch.

One quick question. Why did you angle the pins? To maybe make it easier to get you fingers around them?

I angled the pins downward so that they stay in place.

As far as how to hold the supports when they are in travel position, perhaps cabinet door latches, either magnetic or physical, could be used for this purpose.

aggie,
I think a magnetic catch sounds promising and would be great for ease of use. Placement may be a bit difficult because the uprights don't come against the center spars at a true perpendicular angle. Since the hinge is not at the edge of the spar, they stick out towards you when folded in. It's a bit hard to explain so I'll try to get a pic this evening.

Here are 2 pics of the uprights folded in with a temporary bungee holding them:

[chartle]

To me it seems what is making this difficult is the supports over lapping. If they lay flat and don't overlap it would make it easier to add latches and or magnets

Options so far

* shorten the supports. Of course that lowers the hatch.

* Shorten, advantages above, and move up the brackets.

* Shorten and move them closer to the front of the trailer but that would add stress to the hinge.

* kind half lap them so the lay flat.

* change the design so that hinged part at the top is angled just a little bit in opposite directions, this way the supports will miss each other and allow them to lay flatter so you can you a separate catch for each one.

* get shorter so the hatch can be lower and use suggestion one.

[CliffinGA]

chartle said
To me it seems what is making this difficult is the supports over lapping.

Options so far

* shorten the supports so they lay flatter and don't overlap which would make it easier to add latches and or magnets. Of course that lowers the hatch.

* Shorten, advantages above, and move up the brackets.

* Shorten and move them closer to the front of the trailer but that would add stress to the hinge.

* kind half lap them so the lay flat.

* get shorter so the hatch can be lower and use suggestion one.

Or you can put the catches/magnets on the 2 second spars in where the pieces nearly touch the supports.

Cliff

[Woodbutcher]

I have a similar setup, but I used 1" Dowel rods as my props. Then to hold them to the hatch I used metal broom holders for the handles to snap into. Easy to do with 1 person.

If you look close you can see the silver broom holders on the hatch. You may be able to just notch out a section of your supports to allow the holder to clip onto the support. I would not use a magnetic catch to much bouncing around back there . You need something firm.




Great job at the reto fit!

[Sam I am]

I like the magnet idea. I used magnetic cabinet latches to hold the folding leg on my side table up, and to hold two small folding beverage/snack tables on the inside. They work well, and alignment is not critical.

[chartle]

Or you can put the catches/magnets on the 2 second spars in where the pieces nearly touch the supports.

Cliff[/b]

Yea but that wouldn't make for slick finish.

and hey another Cliff, you are the fifth I have ever "met". The first was my father but are you a "ton" or a "ford". I'm a "ford"

[Nobody]

Nice retro-fit Bill! I wuz thinkin' of something similar during my initial build but never figured out the 'hold-up' mechanism so I just went in the opposite direction & hinged my props at the counter & let 'em lie flat on the counter during travel. I devised a latch/receptacle on the hatch made of aluminum & use a 'Linch Pin' as a 'keeper' to hold the props up & prevent a strong wind from lifting the hatch off 'em. Instead of trying to 'tether' the pins I just drilled a 'slanted' hole at each end of the counter to hold pins when not being used. My hinge pins have enough slack that the props are able to lie flat adjacent to each other when the hatch is down & they've never scratched or damaged the counter finish. My hatch is fairly heavy but my tiny wife is able to lift it (with both hands) & hold it up with one hand while raising the prop to its receptacle, then raise the other prop. Only problem she has is sometimes if the TD is parked on a downward slope to the rear, she ain't tall enough to hold the hatch high enough for the props to fit

We've since changed the galley decor -