Welding vs Bolting

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Postby Anon 1 » Sun Mar 20, 2005 12:58 am

The two following statements evidently point out an oxymoron.


"But I did not trust those bolts that were supplied with the trailer after the heads started shearing off as hit them with the impact."
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I have the ability, the tools, and the knowledge to follow the fastener manufacturer's advice, I also have the common sense to know when to take such extreme measures.
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Postby Guest » Sun Mar 20, 2005 2:23 am

Hey Anonymous One,
Mike's two cardinal rules here on this forum are no fighting and have fun.
It appears to me that you seem to get your jollies by degrading others with comments that look like you could be trying to pick a fight.
I think it is wonderful that we have someone with your caliber of expertise on board and it's great that you are willing to share your plethora of knowledge with us, but you need to stop lambasting others from your pedestal.
There are others here with the same level of knowledge and ability as you and even a few airplane builders as you are, in fact... we even have two rocket scientists on board that I am aware of.
My advice to you is to stop lambasting others, get along with people here or you could wind up as Anon B. Gone.
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Postby mikeschn » Sun Mar 20, 2005 6:55 am

The rule: No fighting applies here!

Mike...
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Postby Larwyn » Sun Mar 20, 2005 8:37 am

mikeschn wrote:The rule: No fighting applies here!

Mike...


Sorry Mike, I was not trying to fight, just trying to defend myself. I will drop the subject with Mr. Anon 1 and try to get along with others.... :)

You have a great forum here. Statements such as the one made about my work practices could lead the uninformed to beilieve that they have made a serious error in their construction. Better uninformed than mis- informed.
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Postby jasonnilsson » Mon Mar 21, 2005 12:52 am

Wow that went south fast! :roll: Any more input?
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Postby Larwyn » Mon Mar 21, 2005 1:41 pm

jasonnilsson wrote:Wow that went south fast! :roll: Any more input?
Jason


Jason,

I hate to have participated in the deterioration of your thread here, sorry about that.

Anyway, lots of people here are using bolt together trailers and I have yet to hear of a problem because the trailer was bolted rather than welded. I chose to weld mine in addition to the bolts mainly because I could do it myself and the cost was just a little of my time. Kind of falls in line with Mike's theory of redundant fastening.
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Postby D. Tillery » Mon Mar 21, 2005 4:21 pm

Larwin, Impact Wrench...Man after my own heart. :thumbsup:

We don't take no B.S. from cheap asian (aka HF) hardware down here in Texas! :D

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Postby TomS » Mon Mar 21, 2005 5:34 pm

I''ll probably use an impact wrench when I do mine.

Would I get any benefit from using Locktite when I bolt my frame together?
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Postby Guest » Mon Mar 21, 2005 5:45 pm

Tom,
If you are considering LockTite, just be sure to use the right one.
I believe the red stuff is for perminate apps. and the blue is non perminate apps.
If I was going to bolt the frame together, I think I'd be inclined to go with NyLock Nuts instead.
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Postby toypusher » Mon Mar 21, 2005 5:47 pm

Tom,

If the Red Trailer is anything like the HF trailer, they come with Nylox nuts and I don't think the impact wrench will be necessary. The loctite should help, but probably not needed either. I just tightened my with a box end wrench and a good ratchet socket wrench, then painted all bolts and nuts to match the rest of the trailer. Still have to replace the removable pins with bolts, I still need to stand it up in my garage for now, so that will have to wait another week or two. I sent my registeration of to the wonderful world of "PENNDOT" and just hope all goes well. I don't want to start putting the tear on the frame jsut in case PA decides that I did not fill out the forms correctly and I have to redo them. That would mean new pictures and all. What a pain :x Gotta love PENNDOT for all their rules and regulations. I went through a license and title place, so I have high hopes that it will go through the first time. For now I am prebuilding the deck and the bulkheads. The sides (both plywood and aluminum) are already cut and waiting to be attached. Got materials cut for the spars, just need to glue some together for the doubled up ones. I also plan on trying to get the doors done too, if I can get my windows in the next couple of weeks. Guess I got a little off the subject. :oops:

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Postby jasonnilsson » Mon Mar 21, 2005 5:55 pm

I think with the right corner and T brackets I might be able to make it work... but I'll get a quote on the welding anyway. Better safe than sorry!:R
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Postby TonyCooper » Mon Mar 21, 2005 7:17 pm

D. Tillery wrote:Larwin, Impact Wrench...Man after my own heart. :thumbsup:

We don't take no B.S. from cheap asian (aka HF) hardware down here in Texas! :D

D. Tillery



Hey I resemble that remark... It ain't cheap asian, it is cheap Ukrainian!
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Postby ceebe » Mon Mar 21, 2005 7:25 pm

Just remember... No matter what it is that goes wrong, There is always somebody who knew it would!
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Postby Larwyn » Mon Mar 21, 2005 10:04 pm

D. Tillery wrote:Larwin, Impact Wrench...Man after my own heart. :thumbsup:

We don't take no B.S. from cheap asian (aka HF) hardware down here in Texas! :D

D. Tillery


The impact wrench is a natural, considering my inclination toward favoring the hammer as the one most important tool a man can own. If the hammer is heavy enough the job can never be too large....... :lol:
That being said I have to admit that I almost never drive a nail with a hammer, air nailers rule. But for convincing a steel frame member to move into square or flat or to move a framing member that 1/64th of an inch nothing can beat a few pounds of steel on a hickory handle...... :twisted:

Beware the kilted Texan with a brace of 3 pounders (pun intended)..... :lol:
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An engineering firm re:trailer design

Postby Guy » Tue Mar 22, 2005 12:58 am

Dear All,

Here is a link to a trailer design article from an engineering firm that has a great reputationn. I have dealt with them many times in the past, after being referred by some structural engineers in Japan.

http://www.synthx.com/articles/trailer-design.html

This may help answer some of the questions.
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