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Postby Deryk the Pirate » Thu Jun 09, 2011 8:37 am

NathanL wrote:The good news is you really don't need it. There are several species that can be marine plywood. Douglas fir - which is nice and the cheapest but the faces have a tendency to check if you only paint them and not glass them. Sepale is really nice but more expensive and can be more decorative. Meranti is another choice, which is probably half way between douglas fir and Sepale in price and availablity. Sometimes referred to as mahogony plywood. One brand is hydrotek.

Like everyone has said marine plywood normally has no voids in the inner plys, an A face on the outside (You can get marine play in AA, AB, and AC) with AB what you find more often, and glued with a water resistant glue. Good marine ply will normally have a higher ply count as well. Instead of say 5 plies in an exterior AC grade the same thickness of marine ply can/will often have 7 plies.

Marine plywood in a lot of sizes will come in oversize sheets (more $$) of up to 5'x10' in a single sheet or up to 5'x24' in pre scarfed sections in 2' multiples.


Another option if you are going to paint is MDO (Medium Density Overlay) which is a high quality plywood with an exterior glue, limited voids, and a resin impregnated paper face on one or both faces. Stuff is wonderful for outside exposure and it's normal use is outdoor signs. Even without painting the faces will last a long time in heavy exposure. The resin impregnated paper face is ready to paint and takes paint well and no chance of checking etc....Don't confuse it with MDF. It also can be bought in oversize sheets up to 5'x10'.



Thank you NathanL, Now I have a question... whats "checking"?

The price I saw was for the Douglas Fir, $96 for 3/8" the Sepele was higher. I definatly plan on useing red cedar for the floor. Its a wee bit heavy but very rot resistant with the bottom side being tarred. For the roof Im leaning towards useing the paulownia again, I got a nice easy way of doing the curved roof with the tongue and groove (working mostly alone it would also be easier to do a board at a time then luggin a 5x10 sheet of wood) and then covering it with EPDM... might go with white this time.

For the side walls depending on the axle I put on it how much width I can get away with. I thought useing a "plywood" wall I can go thinner then the 3/4" paulownia and be able to frame the wall and then put up a complete wall on the trailer. If I do the paulownia tounge and groove on the walls this time Im going to glue it and use the nail gun to tack the boards in place then when the whole wall is in place screw them into the supporting 1x2's... hopefully will be a little faster build time.

I do have about 3/4 of a gallon of a thinned epoxy so if I go the plywood route I can apply it. I might do the ends of the paulownia since this time Im going to be useing it vertically not horizontally so I figure it cant hurt to encapsulate the ends.

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Postby Deryk the Pirate » Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:02 am

ooh I found this

http://www.harborsales.net/tabid/130/De ... es#Product

$48 a sheet, MDO 3/8" 3 ply primed both sides and there out of MD, no shipping charge if shipped to a business. I think it was $78 for a 4x10 sized sheet.

The woman I spoke with said they only thing is the ends have to be protected to avoid moisture being drawn into it but people generally use paint or epoxy.

Now that opens up sme posibilities!

thanks NathanL

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Postby dh » Thu Jun 09, 2011 12:10 pm

I hope you arn't planning on sealing your plywood with thinned epoxy. When the solvent thinner evaporates out it will leave voids in the epoxy barrier.
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Postby Deryk the Pirate » Thu Jun 09, 2011 12:29 pm

I don't believe what I have is a solvent thinned epoxy...its much thicker then the CPES I have but thinner then the West System stuff. Either way I planned on at least 3 coats on the edges...isn't that what's recomended? It will then get 3 coats of oil based tractor paint.
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Postby doug hodder » Fri Jun 10, 2011 9:44 am

I used MDO on the Voyager with epoxy over it. Smoothed out really nice and didn't take nearly as long to build the surface as a regular ply. Doug
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Postby NathanL » Fri Jun 10, 2011 12:56 pm

Checking is when you get tiny cracks or small peels in wood. Douglas fir is by far the most prone to it. If you are going to encapsulate it in epoxy it won't matter.

If you are using MDO you won't need to seal it with epoxy, that's what the resin impregnated paper is for. Just use a good paint on the outside of it, and seal the edges.
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Postby StandUpGuy » Sat Jun 11, 2011 8:29 am

What kind of a trailer are you making? Is there some sort of plan or image?
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Postby Deryk the Pirate » Sun Jun 12, 2011 9:24 pm

StandUpGuy wrote:What kind of a trailer are you making? Is there some sort of plan or image?


of course silly lol.... another lil vardo! (but this time Im not gonna sell it right away unless I get offered alot lol)
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Postby StandUpGuy » Sun Jun 12, 2011 9:40 pm

Deryk the Pirate wrote:
StandUpGuy wrote:What kind of a trailer are you making? Is there some sort of plan or image?


of course silly lol.... another lil vardo! (but this time Im not gonna sell it right away unless I get offered alot lol)
Oh I don't know. Looks like it could turn into quite the little business for you. Sounds like you should be in sales! 8)
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Postby Deryk the Pirate » Mon Jun 13, 2011 8:28 am

Actually, my friend Connor and me are thinking along those lines. I do a medieval reinactment and alot of ppl there spend $1500-2k for a fancy canvas pavillion, that takes about 1-2 hours with help to setup. For another grand they can have a lil vardo trailer, back in, chock it, level it and roll out the awning and done.

I have a design in mind for a "pop top" style for standing hedroom but need a bigger tow vehicle cause that one I want 7 feet wide for a bed across the back with a pull out galley kitchen that stores below it.

Check my photo's for the new lil vardo 2. I found it online and its really close to what Im planning. The roof arch will only be 6" but its very similar to how I did the arches/roof on my current lil vardo.

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Postby Deryk the Pirate » Wed Jun 15, 2011 11:42 pm

Now i was wondering. With the MDO 4x10 3/8's inch sheets, would I be able to flex it? The 4' side bent down over say an 8 inch high arc about 52" across? Would it be fighting it trying to lift off the arc to go flat? Like the roof on lil vardo 1.

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Postby doug hodder » Thu Jun 16, 2011 8:18 pm

Deryk...I don't think you'd have any problem getting it do an 8" lift in an arc. I think I'd use some straps and cinch it down into place, but then I usually am by myself when I do that stuff. Shoot a few screws in the center to hold it in place, then suck it down.

MDO is the ply of choice in outdoor plywood sign applications, at least it was with the sign co. that I worked for. Like mentioned, you don't need to do epoxy on it, I did, as there were some divots in it and I wanted a super smooth side for the automotive base/clear. I'm also a fan of epoxy as an adhesive in a situation like that as well. Doug
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Postby Deryk the Pirate » Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:02 pm

Thanks Doug! I was thinkin about straps when I saw someone's build pictures... i know if i bent it long ways it would be fine but the narrow side i wasnt too sure about.

I'm thinkin of useing just an exterior plywood for the roof since I cant find mdo in 1/4 " . also the adhesive for the epdm is for putting it on wood, not sureif the epoxy coating would effect its adhereing. So the roof will be well sealed and the underside on the overhangs Im plannin epoxy then tractor paint.
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Postby doug hodder » Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:57 pm

Deryk...guess I missed it...if you are going to put EDPM over it...just use an exterior 1/4" ply. Get the 4x8 sheets and join it with a strut under the joint. No real need for a 3/8 thick roof. If you are covering it...just seal up the joints and then top coat it with the roofing material. Saves some dough and weight. Just my thoughts. Doug
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Postby Deryk the Pirate » Fri Jun 17, 2011 8:23 am

Hey Doug, Im thinking the 4x10 sheet just for simplicity, cut one in half long ways putting it on the sides with a little overhang on each of the long sides then the 4x10 sheet over the top all screwed and glued together. Maybe use a belt sander to make it a little more flush where they overlap since its really going to overlap it at the joint by over a foot...Im sure it will give it lots of strength. Im going to have to glue the insulation in this time since I wont have 1" thick roofing like my first build. Dont want any screw holes popping through lol....

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