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Re: Would love feedback on my original, tiny trailer design

Postby deleted » Fri Oct 19, 2012 7:28 am

Hi droid_ca. Glad you're enjoying the thread! I've learned a lot too!

Thanks for the detailed post KC.

The Trap Guard I found on my own. Same with the Timbren Axle-Less Suspension. I looked at pictures of trailers then designed what I wanted, searched Google for things to work the way I wanted them to (like the trap guard and axle-less suspension) then went back and looked at build blogs and videos and modified what I knew wouldn't work right off the bat and moved forward with what I thought would. I'd planned on hiring a professional trailer designer/builder or mechanical engineer to assess my design to avoid the unforeseen problems you've described. While not a math and science girl by nature I've learned at least the basic concepts of things like the moment of inertia and fulcrums and such by watching Mythbusters on tv. So while i'm nowhere near an expert on such matters, the good thing is I'm at least now aware that they exist and needed to be considered in my design by someone who knows more than I. Even knowing it's best to balance the interior load is something I was aware of so I came up with what may be an original idea that I think will work very well. By moving two small cabinets and bolting them to the opposite wall during transit, I can keep my weight balanced. And do it easily if I keep those cabinets on casters, which is good because the height of the casters will allow me to open the cabinet doors even with my sleeping pad out. It's all very carefully planned.

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To answer your question, no, I'm not a professional or experienced welder. In fact I just took my first MIG welding class a week ago and a basic metal shop class last night where I learned how to use a cold saw, vertical band saw, horizontal band saw, drill press, bench pedestal grinder, and a disk sander, all to make an aluminum bottle opener. I have a lifetime membership to a place called http://techshop.ws/ which is like having a gym membership but instead of exercise equipment it's all industrial arts oriented from traditional equipment to CNC. There's a wood shop, metal shop, TIG and MIG welding, industrial sewing machines, laser cutters/etechers, 3d printers, powder coating, even a water jet and more. They offer classes, one on one training, and dream coaches. So, I want to undertake learning to do it all. I'm not concerned about how much time it will take to build things because right now I have the luxury of time to go in and practice and work all day for the next few months.

I figured I'd take on a few small tube welding projects to hone my skills before I tackle my trailer. For starters I think I'll build a small backyard chicken coop frame for my friend who wants one and a 50% scale (2'x3') of my trailer that I'll use as a dog house for my dog before building my chassis. I can also have a professional welder check my welds along the way to give me the go ahead that my welds are done correctly and will be road worthy.

Thanks Bogo. That sounds simple enough as long as I can detach the hose because I had the sink in one of my movable cabinets. Do you think I could set the PVC into the wall then clamp a short section of flexible tubing to connect the tank to the PVC? That would make it easier to disconnect during transport if I stick to having the small tank in cabin. Based on my initial idea to just have a 1.75 gallon interior tank this was the design I came up with;

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I was just going to keep fresh water in a vessel like a small pitcher near the sink. For overnight trips it would work perfectly to have the small tank size. But, if I do begin taking longer trips then the larger exterior tank would be a very good idea if the trailer can take the additional weight of the water until I can dump it.
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Re: Would love feedback on my original, tiny trailer design

Postby deleted » Fri Oct 19, 2012 8:59 am

KC I had seen Angib's info before.

The Thrifty Thread is 328 pages. Trying to figure out how to best pull GPW's posts out of it. So far I went to his profile page and selected the view posts option. Now I need to find them out of the 6445 posts he's written :lol:
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Re: Would love feedback on my original, tiny trailer design

Postby droid_ca » Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:08 am

Some of the designs that I like best and what I'm trying to do with mine is if there is a seat or a bench or anything for that matter try to have it serve more then one purpose such as a hidden porta potty in a seat or a shower basin hidden in another..I think small dual purpose stuff like that is what makes designing these things so much fun and better yet more livable
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Re: Would love feedback on my original, tiny trailer design

Postby KCStudly » Fri Oct 19, 2012 10:27 am

Excellent! Fabulous! We all have a much better idea now of how you approach a project and what your capabilities are. I am impressed with your attitude and "all in" method. I, for one, will certainly enjoy watching as you make progress.

I have a saying, "Well, I learned something new today. Can I go home now?" My way of being humble.

GPW is prolific, isn't he? All of us Foamies had withdrawal when he was out of touch after the recent hurricane. Reading the big thread is a rite of passage for foamistas (lot's of OT and chit chat, but the "bones" of the modern foamie movement (as I like to call it) are in there. I like to call him The Godfather of the modern movement! :lol:

Re: my "detailed" post. I guess I feel obligated to check out some newbies with a reality check sometimes. I've learned so much from so many here that I feel like I need to give back. It took me a long time to decide to commit to a full blown TD project, and I still sometimes wonder if I'm in over my head (lots of chewing on elephant). I hate to see new people come in all excited having found this really cool site; jump in with both feet before they realize the full extent and just how much time and money needs to go into even the most simple TD. It's sad to see them bail out or end up dissatisfied with their results. We all have different skills, budgets and wants.

Sounds like you are off to a great start and I'm convinced that you will do fine :applause: :thumbsup:

(I don't mean that to sound vain, :frightened: I'm just trying to be encouraging.)
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Re: Would love feedback on my original, tiny trailer design

Postby oicu812 » Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:20 pm

Hi Stacie, great looking camper. I love the profile, its got a cool retro look. I'm working on a camper with independent suspension so I can have a dropped floor.
I like the Timbren system especially the 4" drop axle. I hope you decide to go with that. In order to keep the frame lite weight I'm going to incorporate a bow or hardpoint that follows the walls and roof line connecting both sides. It'll be a good place to mount the hatch and keep the belly from "hogging" without adding to much extra metal underneith the camper. With the Timbren, or any independent suspension you have to figure out how to make it strong without that big axle tube.
Any thoughts on frame flex?
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Re: Would love feedback on my original, tiny trailer design

Postby deleted » Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:24 pm

KC I really feel that the best way to approach this is to treat it like a baking recipe. With cooking you can cut corners, substitute ingredients and improvise from beginning to end. Even it doesn't come out perfect it can still be close to what you intended. Baking is very much a science. Having a good recipe is crucial as are using the correct ingredients, following exact measurements, using the proper equipment and tools, breaking down the recipe into steps and focusing on each one. Skip any of these and chances are you'll end up with a mess :lol:

I am not offended at all by your detailed post, encouragement or attempt to keep me grounded. Not at all. I really appreciate the time you are sharing with me. I try to help others out in areas where I do have expertise so I know exactly where you're coming from. We share what we know with those who need the knowledge :thumbsup: Looking forward to possibly becoming a "foamie" with the rest of you.

oicu812 thanks for your post. Glad to know someone else is considering the TImbrens. I think it's because I live in Silicon Valley I'm used to new technology and have been willing to consider them too. There's always some new gadget, gizmo or computer program to try out. I have found early adoption is often not the best course of action with new technology but wait weeks, months, or years and most bugs will have become visible by then. The Timbrens have been on the market for 2 years now and I haven't found any negative reviews about them online from anyone who has used them.

I hadn't heard about frame flex before so I Googled and read up just a bit. With a 4'x6' tube steel frame it sounds like this might not be a major potential problem for me but I'll definitely look into it further and make sure it's addressed in the final design of my chassis.
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Re: Would love feedback on my original, tiny trailer design

Postby KCStudly » Fri Oct 19, 2012 3:02 pm

Thanks Stacie. I'm a bit relieved that we're on the same page, and I am convinced that you are officially a top notch addition to this forum!

First class citizen!

Foodie, too? Bring it on!

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Re: Would love feedback on my original, tiny trailer design

Postby droid_ca » Fri Oct 19, 2012 3:26 pm

Stacie Tamaki wrote:Glad to know someone else is considering the TImbrens.
The Timbrens have been on the market for 2 years now and I haven't found any negative reviews about them online from anyone who has used them.

I'm going with the Timbrens as well I am looking at a 4 inch drop axel with braking system the price is a little high but I'm going to order through eTrailer so far they have been the best place that I have found them and from sounds of thing the have a warehouse on my side of the border so no outrageous duty charges
But as for the frame I'd like to go aluminium to help keep the weight down and possibly build a torsion box style of a bottom of my trailer (not the Frame)
http://www.westsystem.com/ss/projects-t ... taudacher/
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Re: Would love feedback on my original, tiny trailer design

Postby alaska teardrop » Fri Oct 19, 2012 4:20 pm

    Droid,
    That last link that Stacie posted about Timbren axles is for 3500# set. That set does offer brakes, but it's awfully heavy duty for a light weight trailer. Timbren offers 400#, 1200# & 2000# axles, but those do not offer brakes or the flange to mount them.
    BTW they are made in Canada.
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Re: Would love feedback on my original, tiny trailer design

Postby droid_ca » Fri Oct 19, 2012 7:42 pm

alaska teardrop wrote:
    Droid,
    That last link that Stacie posted about Timbren axles is for 3500# set. That set does offer brakes, but it's awfully heavy duty for a light weight trailer. Timbren offers 400#, 1200# & 2000# axles, but those do not offer brakes or the flange to mount them.
    BTW they are made in Canada.
    :peace: Fred


Thanks Fred I did know they were made in Canada I'd go with a smaller size but due to my tow vehicle being very light weight I do require brakes and the 3500 pounds were the only ones that had brakes so I guess I'd rather be over then under for the weight that is required. Unless it is possible to attach brakes to one of the lighter ones maybe I'll email them and ask...Thanks again for the advice
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Re: Would love feedback on my original, tiny trailer design

Postby alaska teardrop » Sat Oct 20, 2012 9:47 am

    Droid,
    Stacie asked for advice building a 1000# gross weight trailer. My calling the Timbren system an axle was a mistake, because it is an axle-less independent suspension. Technically the Dexter & others like it are also axle-less independent suspension. The cross member is a torsion tube rather than an axle. Regardless, in my experience, a trailer with the suspension closely matched to the intended gross weight will handle & ride smoothly. A 1000# trailer with 3500# suspension will bounce & skip side to side causing dangerous handling.
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Re: Would love feedback on my original, tiny trailer design

Postby deleted » Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:07 am

Great topic: Brakes. Legally I won't need them but it seems prudent to have them. Do most people use them on their lightweight (under 1000 lbs) trailers? :thinking:

And thanks KC. It's nice to fit in. Joining new forums can be a bit stressful at first but you've all been so welcoming, friendly, and helpful :shake hands:
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Re: Would love feedback on my original, tiny trailer design

Postby droid_ca » Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:37 am

sorry about the thread hijack Stacie

alaska teardrop wrote:
    Droid,
    Stacie asked for advice building a 1000# gross weight trailer. My calling the Timbren system an axle was a mistake, because it is an axle-less independent suspension. Technically the Dexter & others like it are also axle-less independent suspension. The cross member is a torsion tube rather than an axle. Regardless, in my experience, a trailer with the suspension closely matched to the intended gross weight will handle & ride smoothly. A 1000# trailer with 3500# suspension will bounce & skip side to side causing dangerous handling.
    :peace: Fred


Thanks Fred I'm trying to find and axle-less system myself but I didn't know that I shouldn't go bigger thanks for pointing that out maybe I'll just give them a call
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Re: Would love feedback on my original, tiny trailer design

Postby droid_ca » Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:39 am

Stacie Tamaki wrote:Great topic: Brakes. Legally I won't need them but it seems prudent to have them. Do most people use them on their lightweight (under 1000 lbs) trailers? :thinking:

And thanks KC. It's nice to fit in. Joining new forums can be a bit stressful at first but you've all been so welcoming, friendly, and helpful :shake hands:


I'd like to have brakes cause most of my trips will involve back roads and mountains and I think sliding off of a mountain would be a very bad thing
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Re: Would love feedback on my original, tiny trailer design

Postby deleted » Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:43 am

I'd like to have brakes cause most of my trips will involve back roads and mountains and I think sliding off of a mountain would be a very bad thing


Been there. Done that. And survived. LOL. Though a Suburban and black ice were involved, not a teardrop with no brakes: http://theflirtyguide.blogspot.com/2011 ... -fell.html

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