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Hatch - Few Questions - Photos

PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:31 pm
by Classic Finn
Im working on the Galley Hatch Again This evening and I have a few questions from the pro,s on the photo I took of the back side of the Voyager...

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Ok here are 2 extra ribs without notches in them... Should I laminate or screw these to the tear wall sides to double up the wall and make the ply Hatch Top more solid to lay on? Or is it even necessary to install these 2 on the wall sides and start the Hatch off a 1/4 inch in from there?

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Classic Finn :thinking:

PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 7:21 pm
by Miriam C.
Sister, Sister, Sister,

Because you end up screwing into the end grain I put sister blocks on both sides of the hatch ribs. These blocks are screwed into the top/bottom board and the rib without going into the endgrain. I hope it works.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 7:21 pm
by Chaotica
I think most of your questions should be answered by the more experienced builders but you should join the extra ribs together and give them to your wife for Valentine's Day. :D

PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 7:32 pm
by Classic Finn
Chaotica wrote:I think most of your questions should be answered by the more experienced builders but you should join the extra ribs together and give them to your wife for Valentine's Day. :D



:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Our friends were over this evening and said the same thing.... :lol: :lol:


Classic Finn

PS - All this is for her anyway..... :roll: :roll: :D Or again is it.. :thinking: :lol:

PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 7:34 pm
by Classic Finn
Miriam C. wrote:Sister, Sister, Sister,

Because you end up screwing into the end grain I put sister blocks on both sides of the hatch ribs. These blocks are screwed into the top/bottom board and the rib without going into the endgrain. I hope it works.


Auntie M - Pardoooooon but Sister Blocks... :thinking: :thinking: Can you explain that please... :oops:

Classic Finn ;)

PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 7:37 pm
by Classic Finn
Okidoki .... Are you ready for the Big Classic Finn Galley Cabinetry Idea ? Jumpin from Galley Hatch to Cabinets... Hijacking my own thread... :lol: :lol: :lol: I just had to share it with you folks before the idea went away.....This persian rug is cool at 0255 in the morning.. :crazy: :D

I think I came on a "Finntastic Idea"... But Do You LUV DA PICS?


Got on my Magic Carpet .... and I think it needs your jaa shuure or nej... :lol: Okay here is a photo of this evenings idea and drawing...
If you look at the 2nd photo of the waxed counter.. Will the Doors Match with it ??? Too Dark or ???

Im not yet sure about what to install on the left portion of the galley..
Water tank Maybe?

Here is the idea my wife wants for the stove ...The stove is sunk into the pull out countertop and it also has a safety glass for the cover...just like the sink...Notice there are the 2 Models to choose from.. :thinking:

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Also on the Cabinet Doors it somthing like this for the pulls..

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Classic Finn :D

PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 9:26 pm
by Miriam C.
Classic Finn wrote:
Miriam C. wrote:Sister, Sister, Sister,

Because you end up screwing into the end grain I put sister blocks on both sides of the hatch ribs. These blocks are screwed into the top/bottom board and the rib without going into the endgrain. I hope it works.


Auntie M - Pardoooooon but Sister Blocks... :thinking: :thinking: Can you explain that please... :oops:

Classic Finn ;)


Heikki I would dearly love it if one of the more experienced builders would give us both an answer but this is what I have.
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See the little blocks on the side of the ribs. I have a screw from the bottom board to the block, a screw from the side of the block to the side of the rib. I did this on both sides of the inside ribs. The outside ribs only have a block inside.

You get a lot of screws so you have to be sure where you put them. I also have screws into the end of the ribs and everything is glued.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 9:33 pm
by Classic Finn
Jaaaaaaa Shuuuuuure said the Sveeeedish Man... I see vhat you mean now...ok... Thanks... :lol:

Tack Vänlig.. ;)


Heikki

PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 9:35 pm
by Miriam C.
Miriam C. wrote:
Classic Finn wrote:
Miriam C. wrote:Sister, Sister, Sister,

Because you end up screwing into the end grain I put sister blocks on both sides of the hatch ribs. These blocks are screwed into the top/bottom board and the rib without going into the endgrain. I hope it works.


Auntie M - Pardoooooon but Sister Blocks... :thinking: :thinking: Can you explain that please... :oops:

Classic Finn ;)


Heikki I would dearly love it if one of the more experienced builders would give us both an answer but this is what I have.
Image

See the little blocks on the side of the ribs. I have a screw from the bottom board to the block, a screw from the side of the block to the side of the rib. I did this on both sides of the inside ribs. The outside ribs only have a block inside.

You get a lot of screws so you have to be sure where you put them. I also have screws into the end of the ribs and everything is glued.


Second Way: Another way might be to put a board from one rib to the other and use pocket screws into the side of the ribs. I would still put them into the end of the ribs and glue everything to death cause I am cautious. Screw everything down good.

Oh yeah and drill the ribs if you put screws in the ends cause they split. :oops:

Good luck. Maybe someone else has a better way. :twisted:

PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 10:08 am
by Classic Finn
Miriam C. wrote:
Classic Finn wrote:
Miriam C. wrote:Sister, Sister, Sister,

Because you end up screwing into the end grain I put sister blocks on both sides of the hatch ribs. These blocks are screwed into the top/bottom board and the rib without going into the endgrain. I hope it works.


Auntie M - Pardoooooon but Sister Blocks... :thinking: :thinking: Can you explain that please... :oops:

Classic Finn ;)


Heikki I would dearly love it if one of the more experienced builders would give us both an answer but this is what I have.
Image

See the little blocks on the side of the ribs. I have a screw from the bottom board to the block, a screw from the side of the block to the side of the rib. I did this on both sides of the inside ribs. The outside ribs only have a block inside.

You get a lot of screws so you have to be sure where you put them. I also have screws into the end of the ribs and everything is glued.



Gee No Hatch Builders here... All built tears but nooooo hatches?
:lol: :lol:

Classic Finn

PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 8:16 pm
by Micro469
Not yet anyway.... Waiting for you to make all the mistakes first..... :lol:

PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 8:26 pm
by sjptak
Heikki,

I agree with John. I figure by the time I build, you'll be an expert on how to build a hatch. :lol: :lol: :lol:

PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 10:37 am
by Classic Finn
Okay

I have purchased Oak Board for laminating the Hinge area to make it stronger than normal..

The same will be that the bottom cross and top cross (end pieces of the hatch itself will have Oak as well..

Over kill I dont know but it will be strong...

Thats the update that I have for now...

So your waiting for me to make the mistakes... :lol: :lol: :lol: Okay if thats the case... so be it. 8) 8) 8)

Classic Finn ;)

PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 3:35 pm
by Classic Finn
sjptak wrote:Heikki,

I agree with John. I figure by the time I build, you'll be an expert on how to build a hatch. :lol: :lol: :lol:



John and Stan

I suppose by the time I get this all done I,ll have some knowledge as to how a hatch is constructed... but professional ...noooooooo.


Classic Finn

PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 7:34 pm
by Sonetpro
Hiekki,
I'll give some opinions on what I did.
On the top My hinge required 3/8" gap.
Yes the hatch sides were 1/4" on both sides.
On the bottom of the hatch board.: On the floor I used a 3"x3" aluminum angle on the edge/
. My hatch sits on this flat on this angle when closed. The lip of the skin is 1" longer than the bottom hof the hatch That is where it seals against the side of the angle on the floor.
I used all oak for the hatch. I don't think you would need to put the extra ribs on the wall. I think it would make it chunky looking.

Not an expert but just some of the ways I did it.