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plans for a Tinstream?

PostPosted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 7:29 pm
by Jiminsav
So, how's gonna be the first to draw up a set of plans to enable me to make one of these out of wood? not the outside, just the frame.Image

PostPosted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 9:48 pm
by halfdome, Danny
If you know the outside dimensions who needs any stinkin' plans :lol:. I'd lay it out full sized if I were building it. Those radius outside corners could be mocked up in an open end particle board box. All the radius work could be the same size, just attached differently at the corners. There could be more than one way to build it. Finishing the inside is going to be the difficult task. :) Danny

PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 4:40 am
by mikeschn
Those radiused corners are a tricky part, and I believe Andrew came up with a solution for that already. I'll see if I can find it.

Hmmmm, I can't find it right now... I could only find the Tinstream itself...
http://tnttt.com/viewto ... eam#170832

Andrew, did you have a plan for the corners somewhere?

Mike...

PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 8:34 am
by Steve_Cox
Jim,

You might consider building this type construction on a strongback with an internal jig, like strip boat building.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 8:44 am
by angib
mikeschn wrote:Andrew, did you have a plan for the corners somewhere?

The two ways I can see are:
- Stave-planking - like assembling a barrel. This would have to use steamed timbers that could be bent around the radius, while still being thick enough to provide a decent glue joint between each stave. This would be very skilled work.
- 'Bread and butter' construction using layers glued together and then sanded to a smooth finish. This would be easiest in MDF, because it doesn't have much/any grain, though multi-ply such as baltic birch would be good too - for ply the end grain will be exposed so epoxy coating would be essential.

Here are some photos of a fairly similar job I did with bread and butter construction:

The slices cut out:
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The slices assembled into an armadillo:
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The armadillo sanded down to a smooth finish:
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This job was a plug for a fiberglass moulding, so the inside wasn't finished, but with something like a 24" radius, it wouldn't be hard to do with an sanding disc in an angle grinder.

The downside of this is that it has to be quite thick (say, average of 3/4") to provide good glue surfaces and be rigid enough to sand, so the finished product wouldn't be light.

In order to design the slices, a CAD program would be useful, but it could be done 'by hand' at a push.

PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 10:28 am
by tddriver
This is one situation in which "fiberglass over shaped foam" might make sense as a construction method. :thinking: 8)

PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 11:29 am
by Jiminsav
well, the skin will be metal..just need some guidance on the frame..
so maybe I should use metal framing..hummmm

PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 9:04 pm
by robert johnson
Well of course the original Airstream is all metal, but a wood frame would be ok. the middle section is flat sides with a curved roof, the front and rear is flat curved around on the bottom half and up the center, and the corners are pie shapes that you can make cardboard patterns keep cutting till everything fits. the corners may only need a tempory frame to hold them in place while you rivet the edges together.


.....Bob

PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 9:58 pm
by caseydog
mikeschn wrote:Those radiused corners are a tricky part, and I believe Andrew came up with a solution for that already. I'll see if I can find it.

Hmmmm, I can't find it right now... I could only find the Tinstream itself...
http://tnttt.com/viewto ... eam#170832

Andrew, did you have a plan for the corners somewhere?

Mike...


LOL, my very first thought when I read the OP was, "Andrew probably already has plans made up." :lol:

PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:10 pm
by Jiminsav
well, after pondering it all day, I decided to use aluminum angles for the frame..need it to be light as possible as my tow vehicle is a Ford Ranger.

PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 6:12 am
by angib
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Yes, I do have the 'petals' drawn out, but really that's the easy part as you could measure them off in situ. The tricky part is making up the jig on which you will assemble them.

Tinsmith's method of using curved flat bar welded in place is fairly easy, though actually getting the flat bars curved right and welded in the right place is very hard - hence a few wrinkles on his joints, I guess.

I would be tempted to make up a wooden buck over which I would fit and pop-rivet the petals together before fixing the whole eighth-sphere to the framework.

Andrew

PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 2:44 pm
by reiltear
How about a $.99 beach ball of the size you like, wrapped in fiberglass, epoxied, faired, etc., then carefully cut into 8 "quarters"? This way you can also do the bottom "corners" or have spares for the top. I would paint them aluminum color, mount them on the frame and then wrap aluminum over, with a small overlap. Doing it like this would minimize the number of joints, hide the cut imperfections and possibly improve weather-proofing.

PS Inflate the ball first... ;)

PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 2:53 pm
by bobhenry

PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 3:10 pm
by bobhenry
reiltear wrote:How about a $.99 beach ball of the size you like, wrapped in fiberglass, epoxied, faired, etc., then carefully cut into 8 "quarters"? This way you can also do the bottom "corners" or have spares for the top. I would paint them aluminum color, mount them on the frame and then wrap aluminum over, with a small overlap. Doing it like this would minimize the number of joints, hide the cut imperfections and possibly improve weather-proofing.

PS Inflate the ball first... ;)


Or a small weather balloon and a lot of chicken wire and paper mache :lol:

PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 5:41 pm
by angib
Or find someone with a forming wheel (US: 'English wheel') who can make them in one piece for you......

Andrew