American Suicide - Interesting Reading

[Nitetimes]

Since this topic struck me as blatantly political, I'm going to make some political comments here.

I can always count on a good laugh when you reply to one of these topics! Thanks again.

[Arne]

See, now this is where these topics go wrong, by trying to take the exception and make a rule out of it. If you really want to make the roads safer, take teens off the road. Now, you're going to have to follow this closely.

First you said: "And drivers over 55 are dangerous. I have rights. Older drivers are as dangerous as people on drugs at Home Depot. Older drivers kill people regularly on the hiways. I have never heard of a an individual being hurt at Home Depot ."

So, let's take it one at a time, so you can follow it: (now, remember, you could have looked this up yourself and saved me the effort):

" there's no evidence that the elderly make bad drivers. Indeed, nearly all auto-insurance companies reduce rates for drivers over 55. Older people, after all, don't typically drag race, drive aggressively, or get into many accidents. Motorists between 55 and 70 are actually the safest drivers on the road. Only after age 85 do people get into as many accidents as teenagers."

Now, for home depot (again, if you had bothered, you could have found this on your own):

"Accidents claim lives of Home Depot shoppers"......... and here is the link:

http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/stories/2003/02/24/story2.html

I especially like this quote: ""Shopping isn't an inherently dangerous activity," Rasak said. "How can these things happen unless the stores are inherently dangerous?"

Don't you think YOU should do some checking before you start broadcasting falsehoods?

[Kevin A]

Ok guys, there has been two suggestions now to keep this thread civil, here's another reminder to NOT let it escalate to the point it needs to be removed.

[madjack]

...Let me echo Kevin and Doug...this is a dangerous topic and can go south in an instant...

Arne, I think(dangerous) that what Wolfix is saying, is that any time a law is passed that removes responsibility from the individual and gives it to the goverment is a bad thing...regardless of the reason or whether "reasonable" might think it, OK...the quote that comes to mind is ol' Ben Franklin's..."those who trade freedom for security, will soon find they have neither".....
madjack

[Arne]

MJ, I'm done here anyway.. I get tired of trying to have a reasonable discussion with unreasonable people.

Trying to make a point by distorting facts does no one any good...

Best I leave while still intact....

[Ira]

Ahhh...you're all just paranoid.

Unbelievable that the one thing that made this country great--immigration--has so many people up in arms and in fear.

Oh--I forget. They speak SPANISH.

Get over it. You'll survive, and America will survive.

Unless you kick them out--and there won't be a worker base to support the trillions of dollars coming due in entltlements for retiring Americans.

Then this country will REALLY be screwed.

Don't any of you guys look at this simple math? Or is your hatred of anything culturally different from you make you want to REALLY destroy this nation.

If they were English-speaking Canadians overrunning California, you couldn't care less. And if you say differently, you're just lying.

Unbelievable that I agree with Bush on this one.

[asianflava]

Why don't you admins just lock a thread down? No one can post any rebuttals but less invasive than deletion and getting thrown into the "flame wars" folder.

[Kankujoe]

I know this is a heated topic in our country today and there is good justification for concern as Arne pointed out in his post.

My take on this topic is pretty well summed up by what Teddy Roosevelt wrote almost a century ago.

"Theodore Roosevelt on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN"

"In the first place we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the man's becoming in very fact an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag, and this excludes the red flag, which symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it excludes any foreign flag of a nation to which we are hostile...We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language...and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."

If this is inflammatory then so be it. I believe most Americans feel pretty much the same way.

[madjack]

Rocky is right...it is time to let this one die...I know I participated in this thread but if your read it and see the difference in opinions and how fervently they are held, you should understand why we STRONGLY discourage posting of a political or religious nature............MJ