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Just wondered if anyone here does ice biking?

Postby mikeschn » Mon Sep 10, 2007 4:09 am

Just wondered if anyone here does ice biking?

http://www.icebike.org/

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Postby ARKPAT » Mon Sep 10, 2007 5:11 am

Mike I tried that as a kid but not in snow but ice ( no studded tires ). Ouch the frozen ground is harder today than ( fifty years ago ) yesterday. If we ever get any snow here I might try it again ( if the snow is deep enough to break my fall). 8)


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Postby MSG Hall » Mon Sep 10, 2007 6:07 am

I used to. I raced Mountain Bikes and wasn’t too bad. I rode in all weather and had a set of studded tires for ice. In 1997 in Kiesersluoden Germany the pin that held the rear suspension of my bike sheered and collapsed. I tumble 200 yards at 50 mph with the bike tangled around my legs. Split my L5 and cracked my left hip… that was a long recovery. Now I limit my rides to nice leisurely sightseeing rides with the misses… still have a couple grand worth of woefully outdated bikes…
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Postby wolfix » Mon Sep 10, 2007 6:40 am

I raced road bikes back in the 70's, but never in the snow. However, about 10 years ago a few of us at the bike store took out knobbies off the mountain bikes and installed about 200 screws in each tire. Duct taped the inside so the screw heads would not puncture the tubes and off we went.......
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Postby elmo » Mon Sep 10, 2007 7:10 am

Fenlason and I were just discussing this on the "thread killer" thread the other day...I can't remember where but if you start reading from page 3 on it should be easy to find. :)

I have been living on the Fox River here in Green Bay for 6 years now and have a cyclocross bike I put ice/studded tires on. It is very relaxing and fun. Also do the motorcycle version. Here is a picture of the little guy.

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Postby Fenlason » Mon Sep 10, 2007 7:54 am

Ice biking :thumbsup: yes I have done a bit. Many kinds. riding on the road when it is icy out. Riding on frozen snowmoble trails, and racing on a track plowed on a pond.

Each set up Ideally requires different equipment. I have at least 4 different tire set ups depending on what one is doing.

Frozen trails... when the condition is perfect... is some of the best riding I have ever done. The pond is fun when you are fit and have others to hammer with.

I have kept some of my older mountain bikes... so I alway have a set up ready to go... regardless of the conditions and what we are doing.

For some of this there are tires you can buy... and there are other situations where the best tires are homemade.

I can talk more of this... but I am in a hurry right now. Elmo just mentioned the thread to me.

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Re: Just wondered if anyone here does ice biking?

Postby Eunice » Mon Sep 10, 2007 10:13 am

mikeschn wrote:Just wondered if anyone here does ice biking?

Mike...


I had never heard of ice biking. Living on the ocean we dont get snow or ice here but I bet just a couple of hours away people know all about this.
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Postby Fenlason » Mon Sep 10, 2007 2:26 pm

ok I am back and have more time.

We have ice biked up here maybe 20 or so years. We started riding the snowmoble trails. Here in central Maine we have very variable weather. We used to get a lot of snow, but with a wide swing in temps... The snow would get warm... get packed.. then refreeze.

Frozen snowmoble trails are a blast. It is like riding a frozen roller coaster. There are more trails available than in the summer. Ponds and lakes are frozen and passable. There are signs up, fences are down. Your bike does not get dirty and there are no bugs. It is absolutly incredible riding.

If the snow is frozen but there is not a lot of ice... the Nokain is an excellent tire [we did not learn of them until we had been doing our own for years] The have a nice square profile so they float better, and they are lighter. I forget but I think they were about $120.00 apeice. A freind bought the first pair... none of us wanted to spend the money. In the not too icy conditions they were clearly faster... so of course before too long we all had a set.

If it is icier... they do not hold well at all compared to homemade. Homemade tires....we try to go for a nice wide square profile [the old fisher fattrax was a great tire]. We would run about 300 sheet metal screws in them.

I would always cover the screw heads with silicone calking, and then also cover that with an old tube cut open. We found duct tape would not hold up.

On bare ice... tearing around a small oval.. we used a narrower more rounded tire. You wanted to be able to lean it over in the turns. A smaller tire also saved weight... and you could keep the screws close together but still used less of them overal. At the begging of this... it seems as if each week someone had a new set up. We were trying to be secretive about it.

These screws NEVER touched anything other than the ice. We did not want to dull them. We even carried them from the truck across the lawn to the pond. We would wear groves into the track... churning up snowcone type ice shavings.

You could tell who had the shorter screws because as the shaving built up.. they would loose traction first... they would go down in a corner ... and then get the scraper out... and clear off the track.

We were able to come up with tires there were grippy enough we had better traction than good tires on clean pavement. Yet we would still hit the corners fast enough that you could go into a two wheel drift coming out of the turns . :o

You could really tell the difference in frame stiffness with the flex in the turns.. One of my earlier bikes was an older cannondale. The frame was the monster stiff oversized alum. yet this was back when they used smaller steel forks. The fork would flex and it wandered in the turns. It had a higher bottom bracket so I could pedal deeper into the turn.. yet this benifit did not make up for the better handling of the bike I now use.

My favorite Pond bike is my Serrota T-max... stiff oversized steel... with a fork to better match the frame... and the geometry gave it very quick handling :thumbsup:

ooh talking about all this makes me want snow.. :thumbsup:

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Postby wolfix » Mon Sep 10, 2007 5:49 pm

I got my name because I ride a fixed gear bike a lot. I did it even before it got popular. But riding fixed on ice sounds crazy........ One of the things I did was ride my studded tires on the hard ground too........ I like what you said about using them on just the ice........ Giving me ideas!!!!!!
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Postby Fenlason » Mon Sep 10, 2007 6:05 pm

I have ridden a fixed gear on the road quite a bit.. but not in the dirt... nor on ice.

I was going to say on the ice it would be ok... but then again not on the track we were "racing" on... we are leaned over quite a bit... the pedals would hit. :thumbdown:

Our studs on our winter TRAIL bikes are apt to hit dirt or something else.. we are not as concerned of the screws there. but the pond tires that is another matter. We wanted them as sharp as we could get. and wanted to keep them that way. We were even trying to come up with some way to sharpen the screws once they were installed, to remove the threads. [we thought it would cut down the rolling resistance without cutting down on the traction.] we never came up with a good way to try that out.... so it remains a "theory".

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Postby raprap » Mon Sep 10, 2007 10:09 pm

You mean this type of ice biking? http://bikersmag.com/html/motorcycle_ice_racing.html

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Postby Bigwoods » Mon Sep 10, 2007 10:51 pm

raprap,

I did that kind of ice racing for about 10 minutes.. That was about all I could take and I had raced on dirt for 8 years. Not for me. Those spikes would mess up a good set of leathers.
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Postby raprap » Tue Sep 11, 2007 6:08 am

Bigwoods wrote:raprap,

I did that kind of ice racing for about 10 minutes.. That was about all I could take and I had raced on dirt for 8 years. Not for me. Those spikes would mess up a good set of leathers.


Tried it once too. The Scioto River basin flooded and froze solid in the late 70's. I had this old Hodaka with some somewhat worn dirt tires and a coupla boxes of hex headed sheet metal screws. Had a ball until some county judge's boy god a coupla hundred stitches and the good judge determined that it was too much fun. Learned that Ice is not dirt, its smooth and even and really really hard.

River never froze again for another decade and I had grown older and mortal.

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