Secrets of the 200 MPG Carburetor?

[mikeschn]

Does anyone remember the Secrets of the 200 MPG Carburetor?

What was that all about? Was it fact or fiction?

Mike...

[looped]

you mean the one that was invented in the 70's?

if so the government wouldnt allow him to produce it due to some obscure regs.

the auto industry wanted to purchase the patent but he didnt want to sell to them.


after several death threats, his house burning down twice and his life savings dissapearing from his accounts mysteriously he then sold the patent to avoid homelessness. shortly after he was committed to a mental institution by the courts and after a period of time he died from what the autopsy called "poisoning"

[Micro469]

Who's He???

[madjack]

Who's He???

...a Canadian by the name of Pogue... http://www.snopes.com/autos/business/carburetor.asp ...it absolutely must be a conspiracy by the Gov't of Canadia to keep us Merikans in line
madjack

[Greg M]

Who's He???

...a Canadian by the name of Pogue... http://www.snopes.com/autos/business/carburetor.asp ...it absolutely must be a conspiracy by the Gov't of Canadia to keep us Merikans in line
madjack

Well, we've gotta have someone to sell our oil to...

-Greg

[Lesbest]

Or do you mean the box that went on a half-track here in the states, and was in London during WWII?

In 1981 I went to an investors meeting for a unit called V-Gas. After the presentation on Sat. about 10 guys stayed over. Got to know each other a little and talked about what we saw . Got a look at a compilation of carb designs from all years, the Pogue was one of them. Heard some stories, lots of BS? who knows. Joinded the High Mileage Carb. Club. The book we looked at had the patent numbers and the companies that bought them. Big 3 at the time and oil companies.

One of the stories was about a half-track that one of the guys rode in while on leave in London--it would lift the wheels off the ground and haul-the mail, and the driver said it only used 1/3 the fuel the others did. Under the hood was a box where the carb would be, but the driver didn't know what was in it.

I got home all pumped about all the stuff I heard and saw---was ready to get rich, QUICK. Told my mother-in-law about some of the things, and before I could tell her the half-track story--she told me about the British officers that came to Federal Machine and Welding, with a package. To be installed on one of the half-tracks that they built there--and were sending to GB. Kind of freaked me out.

The 2 guys I went with to the seminar each bought a share , which allowed you one of the unit they were making. We installed it on a 1978 Chevy pickup. Got it running, but it didn't change the MPG at all. No worse, but no better either.

Other that the demo we saw as far as we know the pickup was the only other one to run, they drove to the "factory" to get more units and the people there were surprised to see it working. (SURPRISE) Is on us I guess, they disappeared shortly thereafter, along with the money.

The booklet with the Ideas, and pictures was the most interesting thing from the weekend.

As Warpony says, "A million dollars away from being a millionaire."

Second hand, or further, stories are just that, I've never seen anything BOOST mpg yet. But the stories still give us Hope for the little guy to hit it rich.

The big companies may have the secret, but the world revolves around oil. If they give us 1 o 2 mpg per year, or performance boost, and we buy a car every 5 or 6 years it is a change that we are satisfied with. What if I suddenly built a car that got 100 mpg? I couldn't fill the demand fast enough, would there be fighting in the streets when one would appear? The value of all the gas hogs would drop, 200 million drivers here would want one, the oil market would change,-- the oil companies want to make the same money-- so if you sell less, they charge more.
I don't think anyone could bring something like a 200 mpg carb to tne market. It would upset too many power brokers, both domestic, and foreign.

Les

[Fenlason]

I never found any real details on it either.

As far as nothing improving mileage????

I did work in the early 80's to improve the mileage of my 78 subaru coupe.

In the end I had changed the mileage from 40mpg to 60. Of course vehicles were very different in 78 than they are today.

At the moment I am almost brain dead after very little sleep...so I might not be making much sence right now.

hmm some of what I did. I switched to syn oil. I made my own water injection system tapped into a vacuum line. Because of this I was able to advance the timing, without any problems. I also slightly increased the sparkplug gap. I preheated the fuel by inserting a section of copper tubing into my fuel line and wrapping it around a pice of tubing inserted into my radiator house. [ that might have been stupid] As it was it took some work to get that part just right..so that I was not vaporizing it too much..and with the fuel changing seasonally..making it harder. but I did get to a point it helped.

I did install a computer that measured my milage as I drove. I did make a slightly freer exhaust. I also had larger wheels made. hmm I think from the 13" to 15" which meant I had to use the computer to read my speed and distance after that.

This car was designed for leaded gas..I mixed regular leaded, with regular unleaded. hmm I won't remember the proper terminology...

the leaded gas used the "lead" for it's octane.. and the unleaded used something else. These can be dilluted without affecting the octaine numbers as much. The end result was I had a fuel with higher octaine than I started with. This also helped with the advanced timing and increased spark plug gap.

back at the time I got local newspaper and tv coverage..the reporters also checked with governing agencies..as far as the smog devices and such... [they did not want to get me in trouble in reporting about what i was doing... they endorsed it] What I was doing should have reduced emissions.

There was not really anything "new" I was doing. I just read a lot..combined ideas.. and did a lot of tinkering.

I did do a test fleet for someone and was able to fairly easily increase a vehicle's milage by 20%. [this was much less involved than what I did to mine]

If I had had more money..and a different vehicle. [this was our one and only car] I would have liked to have tried more.

glenn

[Airspeed]

"I preheated the fuel by inserting a section of copper tubing into my fuel line"

I always thought fuel burned better if it was cooler? I could be wrong, but it seems I read an article in a hotrod mag about how to cool gasloline before it got to the carb? A.H.

[Nitetimes]

"I preheated the fuel by inserting a section of copper tubing into my fuel line"

I always thought fuel burned better if it was cooler? I could be wrong, but it seems I read an article in a hotrod mag about how to cool gasloline before it got to the carb? A.H.

That's what I thought too....we ran a coil of copper tubing inside a large coffee can and filled it with ice before each race.

[Wos]

hot fuel doesn't work so good but warm fuel does vaporize into smaller particles. Smoky Yunik (race mechanic/owner/driver)(not sure of the spelling of his last name) designed and built several engines in the 60's and 70's using what he called hot gas recerculation. He dumped a large amount of hot exhaust gas straight back through a special carb which atomized the fuel and then mixed with fresh air and ran extremely lean with no damaging effects and no loss in power. After a great deal of criticism Smoky flipped the world a bird and retired to his idea to his back shed.

Honda also experimented in a two stroke single bike engine in which the exhaust gas was reintroduced to the compression chamber while still extremely hot. This hot exhaust gas when introduced to the lean mixture charge from the carb would swirl around and ignite in a very broad flame front. normally a lean mixture would lead to detonation but the press release said the "active radicals"(small pockets of superheated gas) leads to multipe near instantaneous ignition points within the cylinder. The engine only needed spark for the first minute or so until the engine was warmed up, kinda like a desiel engine but at only 8:1 compression. The engine ran successfully during a BAJA 1000 race.