Comedy...or is it?

[BrwBier]

Don't be too hard on Ira, remember he's an old fart now.

[Ira]

What do you mean "even CNN". They're coverage of both Iraq wars was so gung ho I thought they'd become the official outlet for the pentagon. Don't you remember the weapon of the week?

I still kind of hold out hope that liberalism is still alive on that network.

And I'm amazed that someone is STILL holding on to the illusion that we should have gone into Iraq in the first place.

Now that's not funny--that's just downright WEIRD.

Kevin, I know it's tough for you guys these days, but if you think what I posted warranted you throwing that crap on me, I'll agree when you and that dope of a president find ONE WMD.

[sdtripper2]

Hello

I think CNN seems to have more of a liberal slant than say Fox News on
the other side. But both media outlets should not be believed as the truth
you may seek in news as the undercurrents below may suggest.

Issue Area: Corporate Ownership*
Almost all media that reach a large audience in the United States are
owned by for-profit corporations--institutions that by law are obligated to
put the profits of their investors ahead of all other considerations.
The goal of maximizing profits is often in conflict with the practice of
responsible journalism.


All the media seems to have become toothless and more interested in
entertaining while dumbing down the news rooms by cutting costs of
production and as you can see the homogenization of news happens as
the reporters get co-opted and corrupted by the on going assault of big
money interests. These media elite are taken in to the power centers
and given perks that they would give uP if they were truly doing the
fourth estates good pressing inquiry reporting. Not all have been co-opted
and those few do stand out but most give us pablum.

Here is some information on WHO OWNS the MEDIA*
You will note that the big corporations run our media and have
a large say on what information we see. The Jewish lobby and the money
powers have a strong influence in our day to day news. As the fourth estate
have become under these mega umbrellas to the point now that we the
people get less speakers of truth to power due to the buyout of our media
outlets here in the USA.

Issue Area: Corporate Advertiser Influence*
Most obviously, they don't want to support media that regularly criticizes
their products or discusses corporate wrongdoing. More generally, they
would rather support media that puts audiences in a passive, non-critical
state of mind-making them easier to sell things to.

Issue Area: Net Neutrality* is the battle ground now and big business
wants to control you on the Net very badly.

Network operators want to charge Internet content providers for enhanced
IP services, while Net neutrality proponents say regulations are needed to
prevent abuse by the Net's gatekeepers. AKA (corporate interests and power centers).
***

Definition:
fourth estate
n.
Journalists considered as a group; the public press.
***

[Joseph]

...I'll agree when you and that dope of a president find ONE WMD.

How aboout hundreds?

Joseph

[s4son]

A mama mole, a papa mole, and a baby mole all live in a little
mole hole.

One day the papa mole sticks his head out of the hole, sniffs the
air and says,"Yum! I smell maple syrup!"

The mama mole sticks her head out of the hole, sniffs the air and
says "Yum! I smell honey!"

The baby mole tries to stick his head out of the hole to sniff the
air, but can't because the bigger moles are in the way so he says, "Geez, all I can smell is....
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MOLASSES!

"I don't care who you are, that's funny"

[Spadinator]

[Sam I am]

Well, guys, I liked all the jokes, regardless of political affiliations!

[Joseph]

"This does not reflect a capacity that was built up after 1991," the official said, adding the munitions "are not the WMDs this country and the rest of the world believed Iraq had, and not the WMDs for which this country went to war."

The hell they weren't! How many times did I read and hear, "We know he had them because he used them?" We knew he had them stockpiled - the concern that he had munitions-making programs was on top of that. And read the report again. The concern was and is WMDs falling into terrorist hands because 9/11 proved to the world that they would use them against us without hesitation.

Joseph

[Joseph]

That's not me, that's a quote from the same foxnews web site about the declassified memo you posted.

I know that, and sorry for the misunderstanding. I was refuting them, not you. But that's the one thing I like about Fox News - however they may slant the news (and they go both left and right), they give you the source material on which they're reporting. When they say "We report - you decide," they give you something based in reality on which to make that decision.

Joseph

[wolfix]

I have been a Republican all my life. My family has been involved in Republican politics at the national level. But I swear that Bush is turning me into a Democrat.
Ever since Viet-Nam, I have looked into the politics of war. I have read alot and actually have studied under a few fairly intelligent professors. Oil is the basis of the US involvement in most every thing we have had military action in. Even going back to the years before we actually sent troops to Viet-Nam, if a person looks close enough we see British Petroleum[BP] getting it's head involved......

WMD..... Sounds horrible doesn't it? But even if you look at what the Intelligence Committee considered WMD, it hardly gave reason to head to Iraq. How many good American boys have died over there? The number has to be close to the deaths in 9/11. The insanity continues.....

Can anyone give me an intelligent reason why we are even there?

[wolfix]

I totally agree with Iran being the issue. Especially now. Iran would be all over Iraq if we abandoned the place now. Then Iran would control the majority of the world's oil...... We would have to defend Saudi sooner or later.

Nation building. Again I agree ... I just do not believe American lives should be wasted for something as that....... The Iraq situation is needed now since we have destroyed the infrastructure.
Huge money is made during reconstruction after war. Too many of Bush's buddies have ties to these contractors who have "no bid contracts." We read about the corruption that is going on, but imagine the stuff that we do not read about.

The situation of the war in Iraq is similar to buying a TD built in 1947 and abandoned, then trying to restore it with nothing but a hammer, 6 nails, and roll of aluminum flashing. It can be done, but why?

[Joseph]

I have been a Republican all my life. My family has been involved in Republican politics at the national level. But I swear that Bush is turning me into a Democrat.

Well, he and the current crop of Republicrats definitely turned me away from the Republican Party. But I can't see going over to the other side. I mean, just because my wife divorced me doesn't mean I'm gonna become gay.

IF the Republicans can get their act together and return to the values of Reagan, I'll most likely return. Until then I have no party affiliation. I do call myself a Libertarian, but I'm not a member of that party either. Their ideals are simply the closest to my own.

Can anyone give me an intelligent reason why we are even there?

The reason we have been involved with Iraq since 1979 is a fairly simple one - Iran. When the Shah fell and the Ayatollah Khomeini established his "divine government," the first words out of the Ayatollah's mouth were "Death to the Great Satan, America." We propped up Saddam to deal with Iran under our terminally foolish State Department policy (ironically based on an old Arab proverb),"The enemy of my enemy is my friend." When Saddam got out of hand, we went to war with him, but Bush 41 failed to heed the advice of Napoleon - "When you set out to take Vienna - take Vienna!" Because of that war, Saddam went from an ally to a threat. The UN couldn't deal with him. Clinton wouldn't. Bush did.

If this was a war for oil, my question is, where's the oil? What pisses me off is that we have allowed the left to define the terms and continue calling this a war. The war ended when Saddam's government fell. What we're now involved in is nation building, nothing more, nothing less, and Bush promised "no nation building," so in order to appear to keep his promises he has to go along with them. But the reason we're there remains Iran.

Joseph

[Joseph]

Wolfix, in case you were wondering, I deleted my post to expand on it. Unfortunately, you were already in the process of replying. Hence the posts look out of order.

Joseph

[wolfix]

The time to become gay is "before" you get married. That saves you the trouble of child support and lawyers.

[wolfix]

Wolfix, in case you were wondering, I deleted my post to expand on it. Unfortunately, you were already in the process of replying. Hence the posts look out of order.

Joseph

I totally agree with what you said......... The libertarians do have a streak of common sense to them.