What a waste!!!!!!

[Podunkfla]

Hey, there were a whole bunch of here after Katrina blaming the Feds for screwing up big time--but there were an equal bunch of Bush supporters here who wanted to blame Nagen and the Governor.

Because they're...duh...Democrats.

Stupid is as stupid does, and when it comes to this administration, it's as stupid as it gets.

Leadership comes from the top, and our current situation, our top guy has been the PITS.

I hate every single one of you who voted for him, and this guy has been SO bad, that 90% of you who did wouldn't even blame me for making that statement.

You know you were wrong--so it's now it's time for you to do your PENANCE.

Sorry Ira... I really don't care who you hate. In the real world if the Democrats had run someone that could have won many of us would have voted for him... A lot of us voted against Kerry more than for Bush. We didn't have much to choose from. We vote for the lesser of evils in our view and I would still vote against Kerry, even though I don't like Bush.
Sadly... We don't have much to pick from in the upcoming election either.



PS: This prolly should be in the OT thread.

[Elumia]

It's sad that when people sell to the government they forget that it's every one's money not just a grab for "free money". Unfortunately, the government makes it hard to sell to because there are so many hoops to jump through legislated to make the process "fair". Unlike private business, the government is usually a piss poor negotiator to top it off.

Also, those in government that spend the money seem to think it comes from a bottomless pit. It's a shame people don't spend government money like it is their own money. The biggest crime is when they spend money at the end of the fiscal year just beacuse there is money in the budget allocated and they have to spend it or loose it. If they don't spend it they risk losing their allocation for the next year. I think they should be rewarded for not spending but operating efficiently.

Unfortunatley people will always profit off other's misfortune. On the other hand, when you work in a capitalist system there are cycles of boom and bust. I understand the need to make a dollar when you can.

Mark

[GPW]

Alpha , I wasn't really talking about getting something free from the gov...That's not my "bag"!!! It's about responsible use of those funds, the same that comes out of peoples check every week ...they wonder where it goes and then they see this ...
Miss. probably doing better cause' of less crooks ...just the Casinos left

[Tripmaker]

Well, they spent $12.5 million to store tons of unused bags of ice for nearly 2 years after Katrina - In refrigerated warehouses all over the country and then when they finally decided to get rid of them, they let a contract for the 'destruction' for several hundred thousand dollars . . . . . Jay Leno had it in his monologe one night about a month ago

How hard can it be to 'destroy' ice he wondered? It's summer after all - Can't they just move it outdoors?

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2007/07/14/katrina_ice_being_melted_after_two_years/

Don

Your tax dollars at work. Have you ever seen the federal government do anything they haven't screwed up? Just think what it would be like if we had national health care. The gov't idea of reducing health care costs is to just pay less. Wish I could do that. Tell everyone what I will pay and expect that they will sell it to me for whatever I say. I guess they got what they paid for with those trailers.

[Steve_Cox]

Brick,

I find it amusing that Ira hates you Guess this should be in the humor of the day section.

[caseydog]

Have you ever seen the federal government do anything they haven't screwed up?

Well, since you asked -- Medicare is more efficient that ANY private insurance company, measured by the percentage of each dollar taken in that goes to paying benefits. Medicare also outperforms private insurance in keeping costs down.

FEMA is an executive branch agency run by political appointees of the president. Medicare is a non-political institution run by career personnel. And, the head of Medicare does not take home 26-million dollars in compensation, like the CEO of Cigna Health Insurance does. Medicare also doesn't grant no-bid contracts to the company Dick Cheney used to work for, and still collects a paycheck from.

My response question would be, Have you ever seen the Bush Administration do anything they haven't screwed up?

CD

[Hamcan]

Caseydog, why are you such a wet blanket?

Everytime one of these threads really gets going you come along and introduce a bit of lucid thought and completely ruin the whole discussion.
I noticed that you totally killed the "press one for english" horsebleep thread now you've done the same thing here.

I'm sorry I have to say this but you are just a spoil sport.

JG

[madjack]

Caseydog, why are you such a wet blanket?

Everytime one of these threads really gets going you come along and introduce a bit of lucid thought and completely ruin the whole discussion.
I noticed that you totally killed the "press one for english" horsebleep thread now you've done the same thing here.

I'm sorry I have to say this but you are just a spoil sport.

JG

...facts and logic are like that...cold, hard and usually brutal...to someone........................

[Tripmaker]

Have you ever seen the federal government do anything they haven't screwed up?

Well, since you asked -- Medicare is more efficient that ANY private insurance company, measured by the percentage of each dollar taken in that goes to paying benefits. Medicare also outperforms private insurance in keeping costs down.

FEMA is an executive branch agency run by political appointees of the president. Medicare is a non-political institution run by career personnel. And, the head of Medicare does not take home 26-million dollars in compensation, like the CEO of Cigna Health Insurance does. Medicare also doesn't grant no-bid contracts to the company Dick Cheney used to work for, and still collects a paycheck from.

My response question would be, Have you ever seen the Bush Administration do anything they haven't screwed up?

CD

Medicare is also an executive branch agency as it is not part of the legislative or judicial branches. The problem is Medicare controls costs by saying to providers of service. "This is what we will pay no matter how much it costs you. If you lose money on the deal that is your problem." That does not controll costs because the hospitals make up the loss by charging everyone else more. That means it comes out of your pocket and mine when we get a hospital bill, or for that matter buy a car. The poor guy with no insurance is the one that really gets stuck paying the full fare. It saves money for Medicare but does nothing to reduce the overall cost of health care for everyone else, the fact is it increases it for everyone else. If you have a stroke just see how much rehabilitation you get when Medicare says "we will not pay anymore, we have to control costs". If Medicare is so great why is it that so many elderly people have to decide between buying medicine or food? It's simple Medicare says "we won't pay, we are reducing cost". Medicare has not functioned any better either under Democratic or Republican leadership, but at least Bush got some prescription drug coverage by Medicare which is more than the previous administration did. But this is not about Bush or Clinton or the next president, whoever he or she may be, it's about waste in the federal government.

[caseydog]

Have you ever seen the federal government do anything they haven't screwed up?

Well, since you asked -- Medicare is more efficient that ANY private insurance company, measured by the percentage of each dollar taken in that goes to paying benefits. Medicare also outperforms private insurance in keeping costs down.

FEMA is an executive branch agency run by political appointees of the president. Medicare is a non-political institution run by career personnel. And, the head of Medicare does not take home 26-million dollars in compensation, like the CEO of Cigna Health Insurance does. Medicare also doesn't grant no-bid contracts to the company Dick Cheney used to work for, and still collects a paycheck from.

My response question would be, Have you ever seen the Bush Administration do anything they haven't screwed up?

CD

Medicare is also an executive branch agency as it is not part of the legislative or judicial branches. The problem is Medicare controls costs by saying to providers of service. "This is what we will pay no matter how much it costs you. If you lose money on the deal that is your problem." That does not controll costs because the hospitals make up the loss by charging everyone else more. That means it comes out of your pocket and mine when we get a hospital bill, or for that matter buy a car. The poor guy with no insurance is the one that really gets stuck paying the full fare. It saves money for Medicare but does nothing to reduce the overall cost of health care for everyone else, the fact is it increases it for everyone else. If you have a stroke just see how much rehabilitation you get when Medicare says "we will not pay anymore, we have to control costs". If Medicare is so great why is it that so many elderly people have to decide between buying medicine or food? It's simple Medicare says "we won't pay, we are reducing cost". Medicare has not functioned any better either under Democratic or Republican leadership, but at least Bush got some prescription drug coverage by Medicare which is more than the previous administration did. But this is not about Bush or Clinton or the next president, whoever he or she may be, it's about waste in the federal government.

Well, without getting too argumentative, I dissagree.

I'll stand behind my previous statement. Medicare is more efficient than ANY private insurance company.

CD

[Tripmaker]

Well, without getting too argumentative, I dissagree.

I'll stand behind my previous statement. Medicare is more efficient than ANY private insurance company.

CD

Well in the spirit of friendship lets just agree to disagree. With something like this we could go on for days on end and never convince each other that the other is right or wrong. Besides that's not what this forum is about. Maybe this thread whould be better in the "Off Topic" area.

[Claw]

I took this picture at Arlington this weekend. I suspect if I lived in a place that could be hit by a disaster I would have a plan B in place and it wouldn't involve the benevolence of a rich uncle.

JFK

[Tripmaker]

I took this picture at Arlington this weekend. I suspect if I lived in a place that could be hit by a disaster I would have a plan B in place and it wouldn't involve the benevolence of a rich uncle.

JFK

[madjack]

I have moved this thread to the off topic section...I also have added a caveat to the General Discussions section, indicating it is for the general discuaaion of Td or camping related items.......
madjack

[sdtripper2]

Brick:
In looking at your cartoon my thoughts went to how the war is going and
how the contractors have held the military hostage in getting supplies to
the outbound soldiers. Feel if the American people really knew how and
why the troops weren't getting supplies they would be uP in arms.
The Generals and the contractors who are skimming Billions a month
would have their heads on a pike.
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Authors:
Dina Rasor, founder of the Project on Government Oversight, is
chief investigator for Follow the Money (followthemoneyproject.org).
She is the author of "The Pentagon Underground."
Robert Bauman
A former criminal investigator for the Department of Defense, Robert
Bauman currently serves as a principle in the firm The Bauman & Rasor
Group, Inc.




Betraying Our Troops:
The Destructive Results of Privatizing War

If the American people are agastat at Katrina victims
and think the government did wrong by all those people.
Then they would be outraged by the war profiteering greed
of contractors and high military men hold hostage their
young soldiers to get more obscene profits with no real
promise of delivering all manner of military goods to the
outlying American Soldier camps.

The essence of the argument & Book
Is that if the supply lines were controlled by the military
the troops would be supplied but cause the Haliburton type contractors can
say hell no I won't deliver food ammo, flack jackets, boots and water, during hot war
or hot zone places over in Iraq the troop suffer. The General corps cave to the contractors
extortion and pay their not verified accounting monies and still the troops don't get supplied.
There still is NO accountable formulas for the way the contractors bill the
government. And each year the base line for billing is based on the
previous years bogus billing and pittifull service to your young troops.

The scary part of this story is that we knew there was a military complex
that lobbies and gets massive amounts of money ... yes? Well, now
after the NeoCon's have created a premptive war SERVICE MACHINE of
CONTRACTORS that also must be fed money in every years Government
budget, we are doomed to billions lost to war profiteering, from this new group.
This will lead to more wars as they must be fed and will push their
intentions, even to the loss of American lives.

The simple answer is
"Let the military supply themselves and to hell with the contractors",
who like any civilian can say I don't have to go into a war zone to deliver services.