GAS...in your area again!!!

[traveler]

I own and drive a 1992 Dodge diesel and it gets, without the camper, 22 miles per gallon, and with the camper, 17 miles per, but if I took it into Los Angeles, I would be put in jail for making smog, but it is what I drive and I am satisfied with that. The money that I would have to pay for a "new vehicle" would put diesel in that vehicle for many years, so I have what I have.
Bruce

[Miriam C.]

Did you notice Oil dropped like a rock while the speculators were scrambling to make sure we covered their bad bets........ Let the games begin. Oil up and gas here is $3.23 a gallon.

I don't know about dropping like a rock (gasoline still isn't cheap) but prices did go down as demand did not meet expectations. We do have some control over prices, if we choose to.

CD

There were shortages and all those displaced Texans had to get home. And a few days of no refinery activity in the Gulf.

Down again today!

[pete.wilson]

hey

Caseydog,

Since your so disgruntled about living here in the US and dealing with the political system that we have; why don't you move to Europe which is every SOCIALIST dream, where you can pay high gas prices and drive little fuel effecient cars, oh and did I mention very high taxes! Personally, it's a persons choice to drive a Toyota Prissy or a big old gas guzzlin SUV, so what. It's about personal choice. There is a lot of things I would change but this is still the greatest country to live in with the most opportunities for everyone. I don't remember any of the issues that we see today being dealt with when the Democrats where at the wheel either, so don't lay it all on the republicans, there are still enough Democrats in power in this country (Look at the econmy of Michigan which has been democrat for as long as I can remember, it almost mirrors the US). Oh and when you move to Europe, leave your guns here, because you can't own them over there!

Pete Wilson

[Miriam C.]

How about we move this thread back to the price of gas in your area and back away from the fight that is about to happen.

[pete.wilson]

Hey

I will make a public apology to Caseydog for comments directed toward him.

Pete Wilson

[caseydog]

Hey

I will make a public apology to Caseydog for comments directed toward him.

Pete Wilson

Thanks Pete.

BTW, I stay here for the same reason I don't buy a new car every time my current car needs a repair. It's my country, for better and for worse, in sickness and in health, and all that.

I've been told to move to Europe many times, and I've told a few folks to move to Mexico, where taxes and government regulations are some of the lowest anywhere -- kind of a conservatives dream -- but would you really want to live and work there? So, we all stay here and try to make the best of a basically good thing.

Getting back to the oil topic, I am not a socialist by any means, but I am a realist, and my father is a retired Valero executive. I came of age in one of the biggest oil company towns in the world, Port Arthur, Texas. I have a little oil in my veins.

Oil companies are not in business to make gasoline. They are in business to make money. The stock market does not reward companies that do what's good for America. The reward companies that turn in good quarterly profit reports. That's reality, not politics. That's not necessarily a bad thing, either, as long as we understand it, and don't expect oil companies to take care of us.

I've been all for opening up more areas to drilling. The biggest opposition to new offshore drilling has not been tree-huggers, but cities and states with big tourist industries. That's one free enterprise vs. another. I guarantee that Destin, Florida doesn't want a bunch of oil platforms on their horizon.

But, I also know that oil companies are going to get their crude wherever it is cheapest to get it, and they are not going to invest hundreds of billions of dollars on new exploration that will not be profitable for ten years, until they absolutely have to. That's a business decision, not a government policy.

Government is not the answer to every problem. But, it does have a role to play. Free enterprise is, overall, the best economic system there is, but it is not perfect. IMHO, the secret to a great economy is to find the perfect balance of free-market with prudent government oversight. What is unreasonable about that?

CD

[Mary K]

I've been all for opening up more areas to drilling. The biggest opposition to new offshore drilling has not been tree-huggers, but cities and states with big tourist industries. That's one free enterprise vs. another. I guarantee that Destin, Florida doesn't want a bunch of oil platforms on their horizon.

CD

I wouldn't want to see them from shore. BUT, Put em out past the horizon and that's cool. They make great artificial reefs and that's GREAT for the Tourist/fishing industry.

But, Would you really want to see this





From here



If you owned one of these?

[Nitetimes]

I've been all for opening up more areas to drilling. The biggest opposition to new offshore drilling has not been tree-huggers, but cities and states with big tourist industries. That's one free enterprise vs. another. I guarantee that Destin, Florida doesn't want a bunch of oil platforms on their horizon.

CD

I wouldn't want to see them from shore. BUT, Put em out past the horizon and that's cool. They make great artificial reefs and that's GREAT for the Tourist/fishing industry.

But, Would you really want to see this





From here



If you owned one of these?

The thing is for the most part the people that can afford one of these



Contribute considerably to the need for one of these



But they are the ones to scream loudest about it.

[starleen2]

Snip.... Fuel made from soy oil is alright if not mixed to strongly. Soy diesel is good because it's made from brand new oil.

Jeff

There the Soy industry goes again. First Soy bugers, then Soy turkey, soy everthing and NOW soy biodiesel!

[Micro469]

Snip.... Fuel made from soy oil is alright if not mixed to strongly. Soy diesel is good because it's made from brand new oil.

Jeff

There the Soy industry goes again. First Soy bugers, then Soy turkey, soy everthing and NOW soy biodiesel!

What next Soy-liant Green??????





(Old movie.....)

[pete.wilson]

Hey

Whatever! Won't be long and we will be like Mexico anyways. BUT, I do feel for my kids though! So I guess I'm kind of a realist too!!!!

Pete Wilson


By the way, Gas: $3.39 Gal. This morning

[caseydog]

I've been all for opening up more areas to drilling. The biggest opposition to new offshore drilling has not been tree-huggers, but cities and states with big tourist industries. That's one free enterprise vs. another. I guarantee that Destin, Florida doesn't want a bunch of oil platforms on their horizon.

CD

I wouldn't want to see them from shore. BUT, Put em out past the horizon and that's cool. They make great artificial reefs and that's GREAT for the Tourist/fishing industry.

But, Would you really want to see this





From here



If you owned one of these?

When I lived in Port Arthur, I went to the beach a lot, and that's what I saw. I also stepped on tar balls, and got black greasy goop on my feet, that I had to get off with charcoal lighter fluid -- that's healthy, eh?

I was supposed to spend the first weekend in October at my buddies house at Crystal Beach -- not gonna' happen now, thanks to Ike, but from there, you can see about a dozen rigs. No big deal there, since any beach West of the Mississippi River are ugly, anyway. But, the rich folks who own homes in Destin ain't going to tolerate that kinda' eyesore, even though they may be all for offshore drilling -- someplace else.

CD

[caseydog]

I've been all for opening up more areas to drilling. The biggest opposition to new offshore drilling has not been tree-huggers, but cities and states with big tourist industries. That's one free enterprise vs. another. I guarantee that Destin, Florida doesn't want a bunch of oil platforms on their horizon.

CD

I wouldn't want to see them from shore. BUT, Put em out past the horizon and that's cool. They make great artificial reefs and that's GREAT for the Tourist/fishing industry.

But, Would you really want to see this





From here



If you owned one of these?

The thing is for the most part the people that can afford one of these



Contribute considerably to the need for one of these



But they are the ones to scream loudest about it.

If you are poor, NIMBY is a rant. If you are rich, NIMBY changes policies.

[Mary K]

When I lived in Port Arthur, I went to the beach a lot, and that's what I saw. I also stepped on tar balls, and got black greasy goop on my feet, that I had to get off with charcoal lighter fluid -- that's healthy, eh?

I was supposed to spend the first weekend in October at my buddies house at Crystal Beach -- not gonna' happen now, thanks to Ike, but from there, you can see about a dozen rigs. No big deal there, since any beach West of the Mississippi River are ugly, anyway. But, the rich folks who own homes in Destin ain't going to tolerate that kinda' eyesore, even though they may be all for offshore drilling -- someplace else.

CD

How realistic is it to put the rigs out far enough where you can not see them. Along with that....how do you keep the globs of oil off the beaches? So you are not stepping on them

[caseydog]

When I lived in Port Arthur, I went to the beach a lot, and that's what I saw. I also stepped on tar balls, and got black greasy goop on my feet, that I had to get off with charcoal lighter fluid -- that's healthy, eh?

I was supposed to spend the first weekend in October at my buddies house at Crystal Beach -- not gonna' happen now, thanks to Ike, but from there, you can see about a dozen rigs. No big deal there, since any beach West of the Mississippi River are ugly, anyway. But, the rich folks who own homes in Destin ain't going to tolerate that kinda' eyesore, even though they may be all for offshore drilling -- someplace else.

CD

How realistic is it to put the rigs out far enough where you can not see them. Along with that....how do you keep the globs of oil off the beaches? So you are not stepping on them

What we had along the Southeast Texas coast, between Port Arthur and Houston, were these hard blobs that looked like shiny black rocks. They were tar balls from the rigs. When you touched them -- or stepped on them -- they left a mark like a grease pencil, that would not wash off with water. Even soap and water took a lot of work. Gulf-Lite charcoal starter was the best remover. We always had some with us at the beach.

CD