"Foul" Language

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Postby Podunkfla » Tue Nov 14, 2006 8:12 pm

On the topic of the language, why is it that you are offended by the words? They are only words and it is society that has put the onus on these words as being "bad". Is the S word really any worse than the word feces?


Well, Chaotica... You did ask:

What's Wrong With Swearing?

Swearing Imposes a Personal Penalty
It gives a bad impression
It makes you unpleasant to be with
It endangers your relationships
It's a tool for whiners and complainers
It reduces respect people have for you
It shows you don't have control
It's a sign of a bad attitude
It discloses a lack of character
It's immature
It reflects ignorance and lack of communication skills
It sets a bad example

Swearing is Bad for Society
It contributes to the decline of civility
It represents the dumbing down of America
It offends more people than you think
It makes others uncomfortable
It is disrespectful of others
It turns discussions into arguments
It can be a sign of hostility
It can lead to violence

Swearing corrupts the English language
It's abrasive, lazy language
It doesn't communicate clearly
It neglects more meaningful words
It lacks imagination
It has lost its effectiveness

1. Lots of people swear. What's wrong with it?

It depends on why, when and where you are swearing. Swearing can be rude, crude and offensive. It can reflect a bad attitude that hurts your image and your relationships. People might perceive you as an abrasive person who lacks character, maturity, intelligence, manners and emotional control.

2. What if everyone I know swears?

Why not sound a bit more refined than everyone else? Besides, maybe everyone swears, but no one swears everywhere. It isn't appropriate in many situations. To avoid slipping or struggling to find a word to replace that foul word you are accustomed to using, break the cussing habit and practice speaking intelligently.

3. It isn't a crime or a sin, so what harm does it do?

Better to ask, what GOOD does it do? Sometimes it's funny and sometimes it helps you vent anger, but swearing never earns you respect or admiration, enhances your reputation, makes you more pleasant to be with, exhibits your intelligence or vocabulary, or reflects strong character. It doesn't demonstrate respect for others, help you win arguments, set a positive example, get you romantically connected, or help you get hired or promoted.

4. I only swear when I get angry or frustrated.

Is your anger or frustration always justified? Swearing has increased partly because we expect everything to go right in our lives. We aren't coping, we are cussing. Don't let little annoyances and daily aggravations get to you. Instead of taking everything seriously, allow yourself to have greater peace of mind.

5. I think swearing adds color and emphasis to our language.

Just the opposite, because most people keep using the same old swear words. If your vocabulary is limited or you can't swear creatively, try inflections, as in "I was FURious!"

6. I must not offend anyone, because no one ever tells me to watch my language.

It is rare for someone to criticize another person for bad language, but that is not a sign of acceptance. People could be passing judgment on you without telling you how they feel.

7. I'm not going to bother because, quite frankly, I don't give a damn.

Lots of people don't, and that's the problem. We want to do and say whatever we please. Our reluctance to restrain our impulses and to make the effort to be polite is contributing to a coarser, less civil society.

Frankly... I use profanity sometimes too. But, I'm not proud of it.
I do try to find better ways to put imphasis in my conversations.
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Postby Chaotica » Tue Nov 14, 2006 8:40 pm

Brick,

The reasons you gave are what society has said why these words are bad. I guess my question is WHY has society turned these words into such a big deal? Like I asked before, why doesn't feces have the same stigma as the S word? They both mean the same thing.
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Postby mikeschn » Tue Nov 14, 2006 8:48 pm

Ed,

I think feces sounds a bit more intelligent, especially if used meaningfully in an intelligently composed sentence, rather than one just spitting out a bunch of expletives...

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Chaotica wrote:Brick,

The reasons you gave are what society has said why these words are bad. I guess my question is WHY has society turned these words into such a big deal? Like I asked before, why doesn't feces have the same stigma as the S word? They both mean the same thing.
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Postby Miriam C. » Tue Nov 14, 2006 10:32 pm

Chaotica wrote:Brick,

The reasons you gave are what society has said why these words are bad. I guess my question is WHY has society turned these words into such a big deal? Like I asked before, why doesn't feces have the same stigma as the S word? They both mean the same thing.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: But he's right!!!!!
However we live in this society and it aint gonna change anytime soon cause teachers RULE. :lol: :lol: :lol:

And Ed cause my Aunt would blush if you said Feces to her. She blushed at the far+ word when a great neice said it. She also giggled like a little girl when she repeated what was said to my mom and I after the guys had left.

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Postby Podunkfla » Wed Nov 15, 2006 12:06 am

Chaotica wrote:Brick, The reasons you gave are what society has said why these words are bad. I guess my question is WHY has society turned these words into such a big deal? Like I asked before, why doesn't feces have the same stigma as the S word? They both mean the same thing.


Why are some words verboten and other considered OK? I think you have to understand about language and communication in its most basic form. Think about it; all we do when we talk is make various sounds we have learned. We have also learned to recall certain memories we associate with the sounds. If I say “I bought a toaster.” You immediately get a mental picture of an appliance for toasting bread and me handing over some money. The uglier words we use have become connected with and bring up mental pictures of things that are not considered, by most people, polite to bring up in normal human discourse. Most profanity relates to human reproduction, bodily functions or religious blasphemy. These things are pretty much universally considered out of bounds in a normal conversation.

When we choose to use these words we are often communicating far more than we may have intended because of the negative mental pictures they invoke. Some serious research has been done that clearly shows the more intelligent and educated a person is the less likely they will resort to using meaningless profanity in normal communication. So, right off the bat, when you use these words you are telling the world you are probably not very intelligent or educated. This is true in most languages in the world, not just English. Most of the time, profanity is used because of peer pressure or for shock effect; although, most of the shock effect is long gone now because so many people are talking this way.

Why certain words are considered profane and others are not is nothing more than what has become associated with them over time through general social usage. Nasty words paint nasty mental pictures. Of course if you want to be considered anti-social, ignorant and maybe even violent, the liberal use of profanity is still pretty effective.

Again, this is just my personal view. You can draw your own conclusions.
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Postby Jst83 » Wed Nov 15, 2006 5:16 am

Brick :applause: :applause: :applause:

Podunkfla wrote:Some serious research has been done that clearly shows the more intelligent and educated a person is the less likely they will resort to using meaningless profanity in normal communication. So, right off the bat, when you use these words you are telling the world you are probably not very intelligent or educated.


Podunkfla wrote:Of course if you want to be considered anti-social, ignorant and maybe even violent, the liberal use of profanity is still pretty effective.

Again, this is just my personal view. You can draw your own conclusions.
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I work at a juvenile maximum security prison so I'm not offended much by
fowl language. I don't care for it and don't use it because I would agree it makes you sound like your not smart enough to come up with real conversation. Of course I have been known to use it, sometimes a good string of it is what it takes to get the kids attention so you can talk to them as humans.
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Postby Miriam C. » Wed Nov 15, 2006 10:49 am

Try this next time a young person cusses at you. "You'll need to invent some words I don't know for that to work and thats two". :D Really shocking to a screaming meany.

Brick I have met some real scum who wouldn't dream of cussing. Had a child molester correct my use of "Piece of Sh!!". Not for the judgement but for "having that in my mouth." :thumbdown: Correct language is not clean living nor is it a true measure of intelligence. It is in fact an acceptance of our social order.
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Postby kajamelu4 » Wed Nov 15, 2006 10:50 am

This is a topic that has been debated lately at my house. We have moved a 19 year old kid in with us whose language doesn't 'match' our own. My kids are doing a great job on calling him on everything. (My 15 year old daughter told him last night that the soap was coming out if he didn't quit.) I am going to use some of your reasoning with him. Thanks for being here at just the right time!!!
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Postby Todah Tear » Wed Nov 15, 2006 11:14 am

As far as cell phone conversations, I've involuntarily been a part of more conversations than I really wanted to be. Etiquette and common curteousy have just been tossed out of the window.

As far as cursing, how many of us would want someone to just throw up on us? Well, many times that's what's happening when we have to hear someone's cursing rant. They are verbally throwing up vile word bile on innocent bystanders. pewwww

Thumbs up Brick :thumbsup:

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Postby Jst83 » Wed Nov 15, 2006 2:49 pm

Miriam C. wrote:Try this next time a young person cusses at you. "You'll need to invent some words I don't know for that to work and thats two". :D Really shocking to a screaming meany.

Brick I have met some real scum who wouldn't dream of cussing. Had a child molester correct my use of "Piece of Sh!!". Not for the judgement but for "having that in my mouth." :thumbdown: Correct language is not clean living nor is it a true measure of intelligence. It is in fact an acceptance of our social order.


Very True I guess there are quit a few kids in here that don't use the language and are very smart.

I'm not 2 sided just very open
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Postby Ira » Wed Nov 15, 2006 3:07 pm

I agree with Ed--what's the difference between feces and s***? Who said it should be so?

Plus, s***, f***, c***, c***, p****, etc. are so much more VERSATILE than their generic, clean equivalents.

Feces can mean one thing only...while s*** can mean TWENTY! And just TRY to write any decent literature using feces insted of s***.

I just don't curse that much because I want to retain the horror that a 4-letter word seems to hold for some people. That somehow, a "word" can be bad.

So I use those words when I really want it to get maximum effect.

Heck, "F*** You" is uttered out of EVERYONE driving in NYC on an hourly basis, so it really doesn't mean much or offend...even when you use your fingers to add extra emphasis.

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Postby subtearanean » Wed Nov 15, 2006 3:14 pm

mikeschn wrote:We disabled the filter, prefering that the users here monitor the other users for fowl lauguage.


Isn't this taking things a bit too far? I'm involved in a forum that deals with barbeque, and we've been known to bring up the topics of chicken, goose, duck, pheasant and others members of the poultry and gamebird contingent. We're not censured there, I don't see why I should be here.

Or am I fouled up on the fowl aspect of this conversation?

I do get confused quite a bit these days. Hell, I'm almost as old as Leonard Cohen.
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Postby Ira » Wed Nov 15, 2006 3:24 pm

subtearanean wrote:
mikeschn wrote:We disabled the filter, prefering that the users here monitor the other users for fowl lauguage.


Isn't this taking things a bit too far? I'm involved in a forum that deals with barbeque, and we've been known to bring up the topics of chicken, goose, duck, pheasant and others members of the poultry and gamebird contingent. We're not censured there, I don't see why I should be here.

Or am I fouled up on the fowl aspect of this conversation?

I do get confused quite a bit these days. Hell, I'm almost as old as Leonard Cohen.


I think you misunderstood--there IS no filter here.

sh**.

There--I said it.

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Postby Miriam C. » Wed Nov 15, 2006 3:41 pm

Jst83 wrote:
Miriam C. wrote:Try this next time a young person cusses at you. "You'll need to invent some words I don't know for that to work and thats two". :D Really shocking to a screaming meany.

Brick I have met some real scum who wouldn't dream of cussing. Had a child molester correct my use of "Piece of Sh!!". Not for the judgement but for "having that in my mouth." :thumbdown: Correct language is not clean living nor is it a true measure of intelligence. It is in fact an acceptance of our social order.


Very True I guess there are quit a few kids in here that don't use the language and are very smart.

I'm not 2 sided just very open


:lol: 1, 2, 3 method. That is what we used in the "other school". Gives kids time to think. I tend to leave out the 1 cause 1 you know better, 2 time to think and 3 time out and fill out the incident report. loss of merits.

Amazing how saying 2 when they expect 1 will get the attention of anyone past the age of 7. The grandkids hate it.
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