Relaxing Around the T&TT Family Campfire (Part Deux)

[Fenlason]

Good morning!

Trying some gluten free waffles this morning.

The kids made lasagna yesterday and I had a little half of a piece (small quantities of some stuff seems to be ok with me) and it was quite tasty.....but while I was out walking last night the feeling of having eaten a brick hit me.

So, this is what I don't get.....I had 2 small slices of some amazing pizza last week (at that bridal shower) and I expected to suffer, but didn't. This little bit of lasagna, I expected to be fine and not so much.

Do you think it is the "leaky gut" syndrome? In my gluten free approach, I haven't tried any gluten free pastas or breads or anything like that. I just haven't eaten it. It isn't easy and I still get the brick feeling sometimes. When I first started gluten free, I thought I just had to make sure everything was free of gluten...even meat seasonings or everyday products. Now, I have read where it is saying to leave off oats, corn, peas, and beans until you heal. It is even suggested to go lactos free....and leave off eggs.....it is all so much and so confusing and most doctots or so close minded about this info. Also, started reading last night some of what a naturopath has written about yeast growing...yet hidden...in the body and her own personal experience after taking tons of antibiotics as a child. I am so confused But hopeful.

Hi Jan

yeah.. yeast growth in the digestive track can be a very significant problem. It was something Dr. Wong-Ken used to work with. He had a way to address it. Actually that might have evolved over time..

I shared a "client" with Dr. Gable. She was working on him for the gut yeast problem.. and at the time he had to stay away from sugar. He would go some time without it.. and then cheat.. like Super Bowl Sunday.. he wanted to treat himself.. well if you had sugar before the "program" was through.. you defeated it's purpose. He ended up back at square one. He never really understood.. .. and eventually moved on from both of us...

Thank you for sharing this with me, Glenn.

I don't know if your worship emoticon means that this "client" may have died or not. Well, I hope that he found a plan that worked for him, instead....if he survived. If he didn't survive, then I will take it as a cautionary tale. I know I must make some radical changes to be a healthier person. I know it cannot just be my diet and excercise....it is also negativity, stress, depression....and how I don't deal with things in the right way. I am active at work, but I don't get enough excercise in my off time. There is obviously something in my diet that isn't quite right either and I hope the book I ordered recently will help shed some light on these things.

At the same time, I promised my husband that I would follow doctors orders, as well. Maybe doing both will be a good thing I don't know....but my goal will be to eventually get off meds, only if I turn my health around first.


Again, I promise to speak about something else, when I am on here later this week... it is just right there on my mind at the moment....but, again, I get to return to work 2moro and I will speak of it less....I promise. Thanks for bearing with me. It helps reduce the fear

Jan.. in this case the emoticon.. was Dr. Gable and I being thankful the "client" moved on to someone else.

While someone with gut yeast.. may not be that comfortable.. or well... it is not anything that is life threatening. We each worked with him compassionately for quite some time... but he got to the point.. he did not get it.. did not do as he was supposed to.. and was at a point when it was not beneficial to any of us.. shruggy..

Oh, I see now Well, glad for you that he moved on then I hope he finally understood and took care of his health

I still see him from time to time [not as a client] He's really no different. I wish him well.. but some just won't get it.. shruggy...

As I have been taught.. you can't "save" them all... shruggy..

[Fenlason]

I slept so so last night. My neck is rather sore from my accident. It was hard to get comfortable to sleep.

Ugh....I know what that's like. Hope that straightens out quickly for you.

Thanks Mandy.. Jan... and Lisa.

I should be better soon...

[jan4peace]

I hope your friend is ok also....

That is something weird that one of the nurses said....he said that he won't see any cases of MS for a bit and then he will see a week of 100 cases.....I don't know if it is weather.....the super moon.....or time of yr or what.....weird.

Pretty weird stuff.

My friend got back to me this morning, she said they are leaning toward some type of inner ear thing and have her on some meds for that.

I am sorry that she has any health issues, but I am glad it is only inner ear

[jan4peace]

Good morning!

Trying some gluten free waffles this morning.

The kids made lasagna yesterday and I had a little half of a piece (small quantities of some stuff seems to be ok with me) and it was quite tasty.....but while I was out walking last night the feeling of having eaten a brick hit me.

So, this is what I don't get.....I had 2 small slices of some amazing pizza last week (at that bridal shower) and I expected to suffer, but didn't. This little bit of lasagna, I expected to be fine and not so much.

Do you think it is the "leaky gut" syndrome? In my gluten free approach, I haven't tried any gluten free pastas or breads or anything like that. I just haven't eaten it. It isn't easy and I still get the brick feeling sometimes. When I first started gluten free, I thought I just had to make sure everything was free of gluten...even meat seasonings or everyday products. Now, I have read where it is saying to leave off oats, corn, peas, and beans until you heal. It is even suggested to go lactos free....and leave off eggs.....it is all so much and so confusing and most doctots or so close minded about this info. Also, started reading last night some of what a naturopath has written about yeast growing...yet hidden...in the body and her own personal experience after taking tons of antibiotics as a child. I am so confused But hopeful.

I saw something about that on PBS today. She had some good recomendations for probiotics.

Was that the lady with the giant bowl of yogurt? I saw her on PBS during one of their last fund drives.

I didn't read anything about yogurt But she mentioned probiotics...just no specifics.

Her name is Anne Boroch.

[Fenlason]

more on the "some don't get it".....

to simplify.. lets use an alcoholic as an example.. they generally say you have to hit rock bottom before you change. [I have seen others that it did not take that] but for others it is true.. and for some the bottom is pretty low... and they have to fall many many times... and then change. Some never change. I had an Uncle that killed his liver and died.. He was even told repeatedly.. stop or you will die..... he couldn't.

there are many many reasons why people don't change...

People don't really like change.. they are terrified of it. They would rather stay where they are.. no matter how miserable they are.. primarily because they know this "place". They would rather stay there than move forward.. to something better..

[swissarmygirl]

Good morning!

Trying some gluten free waffles this morning.

The kids made lasagna yesterday and I had a little half of a piece (small quantities of some stuff seems to be ok with me) and it was quite tasty.....but while I was out walking last night the feeling of having eaten a brick hit me.

So, this is what I don't get.....I had 2 small slices of some amazing pizza last week (at that bridal shower) and I expected to suffer, but didn't. This little bit of lasagna, I expected to be fine and not so much.

Do you think it is the "leaky gut" syndrome? In my gluten free approach, I haven't tried any gluten free pastas or breads or anything like that. I just haven't eaten it. It isn't easy and I still get the brick feeling sometimes. When I first started gluten free, I thought I just had to make sure everything was free of gluten...even meat seasonings or everyday products. Now, I have read where it is saying to leave off oats, corn, peas, and beans until you heal. It is even suggested to go lactos free....and leave off eggs.....it is all so much and so confusing and most doctots or so close minded about this info. Also, started reading last night some of what a naturopath has written about yeast growing...yet hidden...in the body and her own personal experience after taking tons of antibiotics as a child. I am so confused But hopeful.

I saw something about that on PBS today. She had some good recomendations for probiotics.

Was that the lady with the giant bowl of yogurt? I saw her on PBS during one of their last fund drives.

I didn't read anything about yogurt But she mentioned probiotics...just no specifics.

Her name is Anne Boroch.

This woman used a super huge bowl of yogurt to illustrate the point that "this is how much yogurt you would need to get a proper amount of probiotics" sort of thing. I didn't see as much of her show as I would have liked. It was on when I got home from work, so I caught the last 10 minutes. I leave PBS on for Max when we are not home.

[Fenlason]

As far as health stuff.. often real healing.. is done in ways that are contrary to Allopathic methods.

At the time I started going to Dr. Wong-Ken. I had to make a choice... his way.. or what my other Doctors were saying. They were really opposite one another. Their meds would in someways counter what Dr. Wong-Ken was trying to do. I could not do them both at once.

There were times [as in the example with my Iritis] that I had to go temporarily back on allopathic meds [Dr. Wong-Ken's suggestion] then back to his work.

I remember Dr. Wong-Ken sent someone to me for me to talk to her.. about my experiences, with him. She was in that make a choice situation.. and Her Doctors were saying their way was the only way.. and Dr. Wong-Ken was saying the opposite.

And as I stated earlier.. in real healing often symptoms will get worse before they get better. It takes time to really heal.

Most people get very scared in this situation... and don't dare do other than what their Doctors say. shruggy.

Of course there are those that don't want to do any work.. they just want to go to their Doctor.. take a pill and forget about things as best they can.

[Fenlason]

well kiddos.. I am heading out... have a great day..

[campingdude]

Good Morning.

Going to Moms birthplace today. And visit some graves.

[swissarmygirl]

Good Morning.

Going to Moms birthplace today. And visit some graves.

Sending hugs to you today Dave.

[jan4peace]

Good Morning.

Going to Moms birthplace today. And visit some graves.

You are still in my thoughts and prayers

Take care!

[jan4peace]

well kiddos.. I am heading out... have a great day..

Lisa and Glenn, Thanks fot the info on what you have seen and on your personal experiences. Boroch, who's book I will read, said some of the same things. She had to make a choice between meds and changing her life. She chose to change. She had all of her fillings removed first....all the metals. (I have no fillings....so not a problem there ) And, then she changed her diet and overall way she lived life.....it took about 4 yrs before she completely gave herself over to this natural strategy. She, then, decided to go onto it as a career. She has been symptom free since, according to her literature. I have promised my hubby that I will take all meds and have all tests that the doctors want and to rely on faith and prayer (which I am happy to do). This is what he feels strongly about, but he is open to whatever I want to do wiith diet and exercise, as long as it is healthy and natural....so I must do both for now....even if it may hinder the effects of the natural path. My husband has been strong and loving, has helped me along, and stuck by my side. I owe him that promise of sticking to the meds. So that is where I am at. Don't give up on me.....I have the will-power to go on a restrictive diet and exercise plan.....I have done it before...many yrs ago....this time I can't fall back into my old ways or create newer, unhealthier ones.


Well, the clock is ticking and I better be going to work. Y'all have a great day and thanks again. You don't know how much it all means to me.

Take care!

[Fenlason]

well kiddos.. I am heading out... have a great day..

Lisa and Glenn, Thanks fot the info on what you have seen and on your personal experiences. Boroch, who's book I will read, said some of the same things. She had to make a choice between meds and changing her life. She chose to change. She had all of her fillings removed first....all the metals. (I have no fillings....so not a problem there ) And, then she changed her diet and overall way she lived life.....it took about 4 yrs before she completely gave herself over to this natural strategy. She, then, decided to go onto it as a career. She has been symptom free since, according to her literature. I have promised my hubby that I will take all meds and have all tests that the doctors want and to rely on faith and prayer (which I am happy to do). This is what he feels strongly about, but he is open to whatever I want to do wiith diet and exercise, as long as it is healthy and natural....so I must do both for now....even if it may hinder the effects of the natural path. My husband has been strong and loving, has helped me along, and stuck by my side. I owe him that promise of sticking to the meds. So that is where I am at. Don't give up on me.....I have the will-power to go on a restrictive diet and exercise plan.....I have done it before...many yrs ago....this time I can't fall back into my old ways or create newer, unhealthier ones.


Well, the clock is ticking and I better be going to work. Y'all have a great day and thanks again. You don't know how much it all means to me.

Take care!

No issue's.. or judgements on you taking meds.... Going the other way is a very tough road. Each person's path is unique.. and needs to be done their way. Each situation is unique.

I also suffered greatly a year... after being told of Dr. Wong-Ken.. Before actually going to him.

I also had a Dr. Wong-Ken to go to.. not everyone has that option

I also had some strong confirmations.. that this was the right way for me.. fairly early on.

At that time I did not have the misgiving's of allopathic medicine that I do now... I did trust and believe in them... but I was also getting sicker and sicker.. and requiring more and more meds... I knew something was not right.

After only a few weeks of seeing Dr. Wong-Ken.. my first incurable ailment was gone!!!!

Each situation is different... we will support you in any thing you choose.



The guy we "gave up on".. He was told he needed to abstain from sugar for the program to work.. it was for a certain amount on time.. nothing permanent. He followed it some.. then on his own.. decided he deserved a reward.. completely undoing all he had done up to that point.. a couple times of him doing that and then complaining about why we was not getting better......

and actually in his case.. we did not give up.. he was the one that gave up.. we just weren't broken hearted about it...

[Fenlason]

One more thing before I get back to work.. the root of all illness.. is stored negative emotions...!!

[Ivar the Red]

Good morning?