"Foul" Language

[asianflava]

We disabled the filter, prefering that the users here monitor the other users for fowl lauguage.

Isn't this taking things a bit too far? I'm involved in a forum that deals with barbeque, and we've been known to bring up the topics of chicken, goose, duck, pheasant and others members of the poultry and gamebird contingent. We're not censured there, I don't see why I should be here.

Or am I fouled up on the fowl aspect of this conversation?

I do get confused quite a bit these days. Hell, I'm almost as old as Leonard Cohen.

I saw that but I resisted. I thought calling somebody a "Turkey" might get censored.

[subtearanean]

I saw that but I resisted. I thought calling somebody a "Turkey" might get censored.

Now you're just trying to make me Hungary.

[Steve_Cox]

I saw that but I resisted. I thought calling somebody a "Turkey" might get censored.

Now you're just trying to make me Hungary.

[Classic Finn]

I feel fortunate that my parents raised me to show more resoect. Where's the soap?

My parents never spoke the way we tried to as teens. My dad decked me for saying Da** and told me if I wanted to speak like a man he would treat me like one. Didn't do that again at home. We got it from the cool kids.

Lifeguard or Dial works real good and never killed anyone. Trick is to use a bar so they don't swallow it. It is considered child abuse in some countrys.

Heikki---smack yourself in the mouth and your son will get the message.

Miriam

(It is considered child abuse in some countrys). Here in Scandinavia whoever would do that with soap .... Would be in Deep... Water..I mean royally.. As you said...

Thats why it sounds disgusting... My apologies but it does..

Smack myself in the mouth...

Classic Finn

[Miriam C.]

Heikki
Try giving yourself timeout for teaching bad language. Just make sure he knows why.

The practice of soap in the mouth has a long standing tradition in some circles. I personally think it worked better when it was made of lye. Yucky!

Lauguage is how we communicate and children will say what seems to work for those around them.

[Classic Finn]

Heikki
Try giving yourself timeout for teaching bad language. Just make sure he knows why.

The practice of soap in the mouth has a long standing tradition in some circles. I personally think it worked better when it was made of lye. Yucky!

Lauguage is how we communicate and children will say what seems to work for those around them.

Auntie M

Its a very seldom happening in our family but if I hit my finger with my hammer it could just accidently escape....

Our kids are good (Yet) they dont use the foul language but boy its easy for the lil one to mimick like a parrot...

An example is this... I cant recall why but I happened to say All Right (stretching the sentence and 30 minutes later lil samuel is running around the house in English say Aaaaaall Right... Ok its not foul lingo ... but its clear as day when he says it... or Yippeeeeeee...

Another one he is good at saying is Stinkyyyyyyyyyyy...when his diaper is loaded and he does understand.... so the foul language wouldnt be difficult for him Im sure...

Heikki

[tk]

A little story: Now ten years then about four, son Nick was at his Uncle Mike's auto repair shop watching Uncle Craig bang away on a wheel for some un-remembered purpose. Someone passing by asked Craig "Whatcha doin'?" "Fixin' my f.ing truck." was the reply. That afternoon Nick was banging away on the tire of his battery powered dump truck. Mom wanders by, "Whatcha doin?" Fixin' my f.king truck." was the predictable reply. He got the explanation that there is appropriate language for different situations.

Now at ten Nick's language has improved considerably though mine on the other hand is still as filthy as ever. The reason for this is that he has been taught that idea of appropriateness. I'm a preacher's kid and I can only recall about three instances when I used foul language inappropriately. If a person has been raised with good discipline, he develops a language filter that is so automatic as to be almost flawless.

Someone asked what the big deal is 'feces' vs. 'sh*t,' etc. If I am not mistaken, this goes back all the way to the Norman Conquest. Anglo-Saxon words were frowned upon by the French speaking Conquerors.
So perfectly good words of Teutonic origin were relegated as it were to the dung-heap of language. This was furthered in Victorian times (both in England and America) because of the heightened class-consciousness of that era. If you used "that kind of language" you weren't "our kind of people." Nevermind that if you weren't "our kind," you were denied access to the kind of education that could have improved your language skills and heightened your vocabulary.

Interestingly, one of the theories of modern poetry in the English language is that words of Teutonic/Germanic/Anglo-Saxon origin have considerably more heft and vividness than their Latinate equivalents.
All of which does not necessarily mean that you have to use profanity or vulgarity to have good command of language. Vulgarity in its more perfect meaning is to be common with a negative connotaion and a perjoritive implication. "Vulgarity" the word is itself not vulgar as it is of Latin origin, see Latin Vulgate, the early Roman Catholic version of the Bible.

After all, it's just a bunch of BS.

Tom

[Jst83]

1, 2, 3 method. That is what we used in the "other school". Gives kids time to think. I tend to leave out the 1 cause 1 you know better, 2 time to think and 3 time out and fill out the incident report. loss of merits.

Amazing how saying 2 when they expect 1 will get the attention of anyone past the age of 7. The grandkids hate it.

I love that starting with 2 I'll have to try that

luckily my 2 year olds have learned to respond when I say 1
It's probably in the tone as much as anything.
Of course by the time there teens the counting doesn't always work so well.
So I've perfected my 50 yard stare I can generally back them down with a look. Or if I get real quit and start whispering it also draws there attention. There are many ways to get to them without the language.

I'm done rambling now.

[Podunkfla]

I think the “hip-hop” culture is probably a good example of a group of disenfranchised people using language to assert their independence and resentment of their class status. The younger generations always seem to find ways to set themselves apart and make a statement against society in general. I’m an ‘ol fuddy-duddy, so in my era all we had to do was wear our hair in a ducktail, tight jeans and roll our cigarettes up in the sleeve of our T-shirt to be labeled a rebel. I graduated to the “hair” generation in the 70’s and darn near smoked myself silly in my hippie days. Still, I think we were simply idealists who thought we could change the world to be a friendlier more tolerant place. Not such a bad idea, even though it didn’t work.

Now we have a subculture that idolizes a violent gang culture in their music and their behavior. Women are often treated like a “ho” and nothing more than a sex object. The idea of getting married and raising a family has gone out of fashion. We have a record number of young single mothers on welfare. The common usage of shocking language just seems part of a general decline of civility in popular culture. This sure isn’t healthy for society in general; but, I don’t see anything changing for the better any time soon. I guess ‘ol fuddy-duddies are just supposed to shut up and let the new generation do their thing.

[Miriam C.]

I guess ‘ol fuddy-duddies are just supposed to shut up and let the new generation do their thing.

Nonsense! Who will moderate the excesses of youth? It's your job man.

Enjoy it while you can.

[Podunkfla]

Nonsense! Who will moderate the excesses of youth? It's your job man.

Enjoy it while you can.

Miriam... I have had a few opportunities to influence maybe a half dozen young men that worked for me... And, that was a good thing. As for it being "my job" ...Tilting at windmills is just not my style. I am glad we still have a few good teachers though. More power to them. I don't have the temperment to put up with the crap todays teachers have to deal with. I'd be in trouble in no time.

[Todah Tear]

I think the “hip-hop” culture is probably a good example of a group of disenfranchised people using language to assert their independence and resentment of their class status.

In my humble opinion, hip-hop nor rap nor country music is the problem. Remember they are great forms of music just like classical and jazz. The problem is an rapid increase in the deterioration of self-respect and respects for other human beings. Some people choose to express this deterioation through the lyrics in their music, some through visual art, others through movies or plays, etc. It doesn't mean that the form is bad.

I work in a professional environment with the majority of the people who listen to country music, while the rest prefer a variety of music types and every other word out of their mouths is foul. For some curse words are used as noun modifiers. Most of these people wouldn't even think of listening to "hip-hop".


I think what we are seeing in the dominant American culture is just reflective of a deterioration of respect at the individual level.

Respectfully,

Todah

[cracker39]

1. Foul Language - Yes, I'm guilty of using it sometimes, even the "F" word, but never in public, and rarely in the presence of others, especially women. Call me old fashioned, but hearing it from women, especially younger ones (and the younger ones are where you hear it most often) really offends me more than hearing it from men. But, when I hear it from anyone in public where it can offend others, I want to wash their mouths out with soap.

2. Handicapped Permits - I really get ticked off when I see a younger person, obviously in good health, park in a handicapped space. I saw this last friday when at Blockbuster. The person was no more than 30 and practically ran inside. My 2nd wife had a handicapped permit (and needed it), but, I never used it when by myself, or even when she was in the car but not planning on getting out. She thought I should use it, but, Nope...not ethical.

[Joseph]

Actually, what bothers me a lot more than the overuse of obscenities (which as I wrote elsewhere, has a rich cultural heritage of sorts) is the deteriroration of language in business newspeak. People, leverage is a NOUN, not a VERB! OK, so your core competencies are a strategic fit with your best practices enhancing your synergy - WHAT THE F**K DOES THAT MEAN?!!

I used the Dilbert Mission Statement Generator to generate three phony mission statements and then printed them out along with the mission statement of the outfit I work for.

Big surprise - nobody could pick our mission statement out of the phonies.

Joseph

[SkipperSue]

1. Foul Language - Yes, I'm guilty of using it sometimes, even the "F" word, but never in public, and rarely in the presence of others, especially women. Call me old fashioned, but hearing it from women, especially younger ones (and the younger ones are where you hear it most often) really offends me more than hearing it from men. But, when I hear it from anyone in public where it can offend others, I want to wash their mouths out with soap.

2. Handicapped Permits - I really get ticked off when I see a younger person, obviously in good health, park in a handicapped space. I saw this last friday when at Blockbuster. The person was no more than 30 and practically ran inside. My 2nd wife had a handicapped permit (and needed it), but, I never used it when by myself, or even when she was in the car but not planning on getting out. She thought I should use it, but, Nope...not ethical.

Way to go Dale!