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Postby Miriam C. » Wed Mar 05, 2008 1:05 pm

The Teardrop Nanny wrote:Yes, we are fortunate compared to the UK & other parts of Europe. So many of us complain about the 'high' prices, but that is because we were so used to having cheap, plentiful supplies of it in our lifetime. Now that reality is setting in with "global weirding" and no more fossil fuels (being a non-renewable source of energy), the freedom we once had to consume without much thought is coming to a close. Thanks for reminding us that we are only one country in a world of many others, and we should be grateful that fuel is readily available to purchase at the local gas station.

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I guess my biggest question is if we should be grateful the Oil companies are making record profits, just because others pay more. Seems like a reason to complain more not less.

Wonder what if a country like England said less tax so they could enjoy the drives in the country as we do.

Never fear though, in the interest of taking from the rich we will level a new tax on gas so the oil companies can pass that on with a surcharge for doing the extra book work. All in the name of commerce. :thumbsup:

was $2.95 Yesterday :twisted:
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Postby caseydog » Wed Mar 05, 2008 10:21 pm

Miriam C. wrote:
The Teardrop Nanny wrote:Yes, we are fortunate compared to the UK & other parts of Europe. So many of us complain about the 'high' prices, but that is because we were so used to having cheap, plentiful supplies of it in our lifetime. Now that reality is setting in with "global weirding" and no more fossil fuels (being a non-renewable source of energy), the freedom we once had to consume without much thought is coming to a close. Thanks for reminding us that we are only one country in a world of many others, and we should be grateful that fuel is readily available to purchase at the local gas station.

TDN :R


I guess my biggest question is if we should be grateful the Oil companies are making record profits, just because others pay more. Seems like a reason to complain more not less.

Wonder what if a country like England said less tax so they could enjoy the drives in the country as we do.

Never fear though, in the interest of taking from the rich we will level a new tax on gas so the oil companies can pass that on with a surcharge for doing the extra book work. All in the name of commerce. :thumbsup:

was $2.95 Yesterday :twisted:


Don't forget that we do have a little bit of power in the supply and demand marketplace. If we cut back on how much we use, prices should go down. That's the theory, anyway.

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Postby BigDaddyChia » Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:27 pm

I have said it before and I'll say it again. Drive for a living. I do I fill up 4-5 days a week. Thankfully the wife works 5 mintues from the hosue and the baby sitter is 3 minutes from the house. Of course I also drive a 30mpg car.Let the wife drive the SUV though I am thinking about getting her a beater car to drive around in and my jeep hardly gets driven.
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Postby pete.wilson » Thu Mar 06, 2008 12:23 am

Hey

Bought gas tonight for $3.09 at Valero. All because of speculation and artificially running company earnings/projections for wallstreet. I wonder how much longer things can continue at this rate. We use more fuel than the rest of the world, what ever happen to the idea of buying in bulk and getting a better price, we should be cheaper than Europe. One more way to level the playing field, so that one day we will hear " we can't compete on the world markets if we don't pull togther with Mexico and Canada." A sovereign United States of America is not far from being a distant memory. Just think Nafta, World Trade Organization, United Nations to name a few. Sorry folks, I feel for my kids.

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Re: Northern California, IRG Territory

Postby SteveH » Thu Mar 06, 2008 8:33 am

angib wrote:
The Teardrop Nanny wrote:Unleaded today = $3.64, Supreme = $3.74, Supreme Plus = $3.84, Diesel = $3.88 per gallon.

Unleaded today = $7.92, Supreme = $8.42, Diesel = $8.36 per gallon.
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Don't know the exact numbers, but aren't the taxes on gas over there lots more than we pay here in the US, resulting the much higher price you pay?
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Gas pricing Nj style

Postby Pdbeta » Thu Mar 06, 2008 9:50 am

Last evening paid $3.25 for Super. Here(NJ/Metro NYC) thats not the highest its ever been.
Metro/NJ Givens:
1) NJ has one of the lowest state tax schedules on gas in country.
2.) NJ Pol's think w/their wallets. As in filling them first.
3.) Gov'nr doesn't wear seatbelt, but is filthy rich.
4.)NJ economy is somwhat near/in crapper.
5.) Govnr & Pols think raising tolls on roads/making more toll roads way to go to balance or reduce our budget crisis.

I may have slept thru the entire(circa 68-74) BA in economics, didn't go thru the Harvard MBA program either, but. . .
The worst day in our collective (USA) lives, is when Opec wakes up, refuses to take the now record low dollar, and switches to Euro's or some other currency as payment for oil. Thats the day the "music" dies!
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Postby Dixie Flyer » Thu Mar 06, 2008 11:50 am

More bad news....... :shock: :( :x

Oil Advances to Record $105.97 as Dollar Drops to All-Time Low

By Grant Smith

March 6 (Bloomberg) -- Crude oil rose to $105.97 a barrel, the third day this week New York prices have reached a record, as the U.S. dollar fell to its lowest ever against the euro.

Gold and copper also advanced to all-time highs as the sinking dollar made commodities priced in the U.S. currency cheaper. Oil closed at a record yesterday after U.S. crude inventories fell for the first time in eight weeks and OPEC refrained from raising production.

``The reason we've gone above $105 is that the market is still focused on the weakness of the dollar,'' Olivier Jakob, managing director of Petromatrix Gmbh in Zug, Switzerland, said. ``It's going to take more signs of demand destruction around the world before oil stops gaining on the dollar.''
Crude oil for April delivery rose as much as $1.45, or 1.4 percent, to a $105.97 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange, the highest since futures began trading in 1983. The contract traded for $105.08 at 1:52 p.m. in London

Brent crude for April settlement rose as much as $1.31, or 1.3 percent, to match the $102.95 a barrel record previously set on March 3. The contract was at $101.91 on London's ICE Futures Europe exchange at 1:52 p.m. local time.

The euro climbed to $1.5358, the highest level since the single currency's debut in 1999, as the European Central Bank held its key interest rate at a more than six-year high as the Federal Reserve keeps cutting its benchmark rate.

``If you think the dollar will weaken then you may choose to sell the dollar and go long commodities,'' said Harry Tchilinguirian, senior analyst at BNP Paribas SA in London. ``Robust fundamental outlooks, as in the case for oil, present potential to strongly offset the decline in the nominal value of the dollar.''

Colombian Rebels

Besides dollar-led buying, oil rose after Colombian rebels bombed the Transandino Pipeline yesterday, escalating a cross- border dispute with Ecuador. Tensions in the region flared up after a Colombian military strike at the weekend prompted Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez to order tanks to move to the Colombian border.

In the U.S., crude oil supplies fell 3.06 million barrels to 305.4 million in the week ended Feb. 29, according to the Energy Department. A 2.4 million-barrel gain was forecast, according to the median of responses by 15 analysts surveyed by Bloomberg.

The 13 members of the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries, which supplies over 40 percent of the world's oil, decided at a meeting in Vienna yesterday to maintain quotas at 29.67 million barrels a day, on the grounds that supply and demand are balanced.
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Postby t-vicky » Thu Mar 06, 2008 2:49 pm

I just filled up my old truck today. Just doubled its value.
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Re: Northern California, IRG Territory

Postby angib » Thu Mar 06, 2008 6:19 pm

SteveH wrote:...aren't the taxes on gas over there lots more than we pay here in the US...?

Yes, in all Yurpeen countries there is a high tax on gas - I think because it was historically a fuel for the rich, motoring being something poor people didn't do. Tax makes up about 2/3rds of our gas price. So actually I'm surprised our prices aren't more than twice yours.

One side 'benefit' of these high taxes is that we are partly insulated from the rise in price of oil, as a lot of our tax on gas is fixed as money per gallon, not as a percentage of the price. So while your gas price has gone from, say, $1.50 to $3/gallon, ours has 'only' gone from $6 to $8/gallon, which really doesn't feel so bad.

Paying our taxes is like living in the dentist's chair - lots of things seem quite nice by comparison....

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Postby Miriam C. » Thu Mar 06, 2008 9:13 pm

:lol: well Dixie Flyer, OPEC or commodies market may do as they please. Our gas fell a penny today. Selling at $2.94. :thumbsup: It really has hovered around $3.00 since Katrina so I guess I am cynical about the price in general.

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Postby pete.wilson » Thu Mar 06, 2008 9:18 pm

Hey

I find it interesting when poeple talk about Republicans and Democrats; like there is a huge difference between them...Let's see, ALL of them make millions of dollars a year (Nancy Pilosi is one of the richest in goverment today even more than George W) while the average american is getting poorer, ALL like to follow special interest money (george may have oil but Clinton flrted with CHINA), ALL have bought into the idea of the ONE WORLD GOVERMENT, Oil prices have shot up due to over speculation not the law of supply and demand (We use more oil we should get a discount...works at Sams Club). Democrats signed into law NAFTA which in someways started this whole downhill slide of closing factories here in the US and going elsewhere due to cheap labor. Bill Clinton should have been impeached for lying under oath. Al Gore offically lost the election in Florida and was proven by USA Today newspaper in 2001, I still have the article. George W. has been a disgrace as well (I still support the fight in world terrorism and it's about time the rest of the world stops doing business OF ANY KIND with these countries). I believe there is only one GOD, there is right and wrong...not what we can get away with, guns don't kill...people do, It doesn't take a village to raise my kids...Real parents who are in control and I need to whip some butt if it warrants. Spend time with your kids and show/tell them you love them often, marriage takes work and your wife should be your best friend. Politicians have followed the lead of society by not caring about our fellow neighbor, doing whats right, whats best for our country, and deviant behavior won't be tolerated and it all ends with "For the love of money".
Sorry being long winded but I'm as frustrated as anyone, just tired of people blaming a problem on being Democrat or Republican, we are just as much to blame and Lord help us if we get rid of the Constitution! :shake hands:

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Postby Claw » Thu Mar 06, 2008 10:45 pm

Screw it I am budgeting $10/gal for my summer fun! That way I don't have to sweat nickles and dimes.

I few years ago went to Glacier NP pulling a 30' trailer 10MPG rig and paid $1.76/gal average and then thought I was being gouged. I wouldn't trade that adventure for anything.

Do you want to stay at home or go out and have fun?

Where is the Emoticon with a big finger pointing towards the middle east?
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Postby satch » Thu Mar 06, 2008 11:32 pm

Claw wrote:Screw it I am budgeting $10/gal for my summer fun! That way I don't have to sweat nickles and dimes.

I few years ago went to Glacier NP pulling a 30' trailer 10MPG rig and paid $1.76/gal average and then thought I was being gouged. I wouldn't trade that adventure for anything.

Do you want to stay at home or go out and have fun?

Where is the Emoticon with a big finger pointing towards the middle east?

Here, Here, I wait all year for summertime to go camping. Not that the high fuel prices aren't gonna hurt ( just wont take the boat out much ). I live for the outdoors, and I'm gonna go even if I have to "hitch" up Mollie-mutt, and make her pull the trailer!! :lol:
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Postby Wimperdink » Fri Mar 07, 2008 1:20 am

Claw wrote:Screw it I am budgeting $10/gal for my summer fun! That way I don't have to sweat nickles and dimes.

Do you want to stay at home or go out and have fun?



I did a double take on your post.... I need an attitude redesign. I am normally as pessimistic as anyone about gas mileage... but your right... its only money... cant take it with you.

Your optimism is refreshing. Thanks.
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Postby caseydog » Fri Mar 07, 2008 7:03 pm

Claw wrote:Screw it I am budgeting $10/gal for my summer fun! That way I don't have to sweat nickles and dimes.

I few years ago went to Glacier NP pulling a 30' trailer 10MPG rig and paid $1.76/gal average and then thought I was being gouged. I wouldn't trade that adventure for anything.

Do you want to stay at home or go out and have fun?

Where is the Emoticon with a big finger pointing towards the middle east?


I try to do less of the "wasteful" driving, and then I don't feel too bad about the money I spend to tow my TD to a gathering. A penny saved is a penny earned, or a gallon saved is a gallon earned.

Instead of driving to the store every time I "need" something, I make a list, and wait until I have several things to get. A bonus is that I often cross items off the list, because after a few days, I realize I didn't actually "need" them.

I know that conserving is unpatriotic,since we have a right to consume (might not be in the constitution, but who cares), but I'll let you in on a secret... conserving can leave more money in your wallet. Shhhhh, don't tell anyone I said that.

BTW, guns do NOT kill people -- very fast moving bullets do. :lol:

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