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Postby Alphacarina » Sat Jul 14, 2007 5:43 pm

We know Dick Lamm as the former Governor of Colorado. In that context his thoughts are particularly poignant. Recently there was an immigration overpopulation conference in Washington, DC, filled to capacity by many of America's finest minds and leaders. A brilliant college professor by the name of Victor Hansen Davis talked about his latest book, "Mexifornia," explaining how immigration - both legal and illegal was destroying the entire state of California. He said it would march across the country until it destroyed all vestiges of The American Dream.

Moments later, former Colorado Governor Richard D. Lamm stood up and gave a stunning speech on how to destroy America. The audience sat spellbound as he described eight methods for the destruction of the United States. He said, "If you believe that America is too smug, too self-satisfied, too rich, then let's destroy America. It is not that hard to do. No nation in history has survived the ravages of time. Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and fall and that 'An autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit suicide.'"

"Here is how they do it," Lamm said: "First, to destroy America, turn America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and bicultural country." History shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual. The historical scholar, Seymour Lipset, put it this way: "The histories of bilingual and bi-cultural societies that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy." Canada, Belgium, Malaysia, and Lebanon all face crises of national existence in which minorities press for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces difficulties with Basques, Bretons, and Corsicans.".

Lamm went on: Second, to destroy America, "Invent 'multiculturalism' and encourage immigrants to maintain their culture. Make it an article of belief that all cultures are equal. That there are no cultural differences. Make it an article of faith that the Black and Hispanic dropout rates are due solely to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other explanation is out of bounds.

Third, "We could make the United States an 'Hispanic Quebec' without much effort. The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently: "The apparent success of our own multiethnic and multicultural experiment might have been achieved not by tolerance but by hegemony. Without the dominance that once dictated ethnocentricity and what it meant to be an American, we are left with only tolerance and pluralism to hold us together."
Lamm said, "I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor with the salad bowl metaphor. It is important to ensure that we have various cultural subgroups living in America enforcing their differences rather than as Americans, emphasizing their similarities."

"Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated, undereducated, and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass have a 50% dropout rate from high school."

"My fifth point for destroying America would be to get big foundations and business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of 'Victimology.' I would get all minorities to think that their lack of success was the fault of the majority. I would start a grievance industry blaming all minority failure on the majority population."

"My sixth plan for America's downfall would include dual citizenship, and promote divided loyalties. I would celebrate diversity over unity. I would stress differences rather than similarities. Diverse people worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other - that is, when they are not killing each other. A diverse, peaceful, or stable society is against most historical precedent. People undervalue the unity it takes to keep a nation together. Look at the ancient Greeks. The Greeks believed that they belonged to the same race; they possessed a common Language and literature; and they worshipped the same gods. All Greece took part in the Olympic games. A common enemy, Persia, threatened their liberty. Yet all these bonds were not strong enough to overcome two factors: local patriotism and geographical conditions that nurtured political divisions. Greece fell. "E. Pluribus Unum" --From many, one. In that historical reality, if we put the emphasis on the 'pluribus' instead of t he 'Unum,' we will balkanize America as surely as Kosovo."

"Next to last, I would place all subjects off limits; make it taboo to talk about anything against the cult of 'diversity.' I would find a word similar to 'heretic' in the 16th century - that stopped discussion and paralyzed thinking. Words like 'racist' or 'xenophobe' halt discussion and debate. Having made America a bilingual/bicultural country, having established multi-culturism, having the large foundations fund the doctrine of 'Victimology,' I would next make it impossible to enforce our immigration laws. I would develop a mantra: That because immigration has been good for America, it must always be good. I would make every individual immigrant symmetric and ignore the cumulative impact of millions of them."

In the last minute of his speech, Governor Lamm wiped his brow. Profound silence followed. Finally he said,. "Lastly, I would censor Victor Hanson Davis's book "Mexifornia." His book is dangerous. It exposes the plan to destroy America. If you feel America deserves to be destroyed, don't read that book."

There was no applause. A chilling fear quietly rose like an ominous cloud above every attendee at the conference. Every American in that room knew that everything Lamm enumerated was proceeding methodically, quietly, darkly, yet pervasively across the United States today. Discussion is being suppressed. Over 100 languages are ripping the foundation of our educational system and national cohesiveness. Even barbaric cultures that practice female genital mutilation are growing as we celebrate 'diversity.' American jobs are vanishing into the Third World as corporations create a Third World in America - take note of California and other states - to date, ten million illegal aliens and growing fast. It is reminiscent of George Orwell's book "1984." In that story, three slogans are engraved in the Ministry of Truth building: "War is peace," "Freedom is slavery," and "Ignorance is strength."

Governor Lamm walked back to his seat. It dawned on everyone at the conference that our nation and the future of this great democracy is deeply in trouble and worsening fast. If we don't get this immigration monster stopped within three years, it will rage like a California wildfire and destroy everything in its path especially The American Dream.
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Postby Arne » Sat Jul 14, 2007 7:35 pm

I've been saying for the past 5 years we are on a down hill slide.. there are 7-8 steps to "the Roman Fall".. we are at step 5, I believe...

Here is another take on it.. think about our national lust for consumer goods, people with too much debt, the fact we are becoming a two class society: rich an poor....

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Interesting this topic should come up. This is one thing my parents like to study, and one thing they read (a study done by university scholars - I'll try to find the source) laid out 5 steps that are most commonly seen right before the downfall of a nation. Of those 5 steps, the United States is exhibiting all of them.

They are as follows:

* Deterioration of home and family
* Increased taxes to deal with social problems
* Craze for pleasure
* Increased funds for arms to defend
* Religious apostacy
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Postby Laredo » Sun Jul 15, 2007 11:40 am

Since this topic struck me as blatantly political, I'm going to make some political comments here.

The "illegal immigrants are destroying America" rant is racist. It's also based on a falsehood, namely that the majority of illegal immigrants are poor, lazy, won't work, and come over the border from Mexico to suck the public teat. The majority are actually people who come here on work visas or tourist visas or student visas and never leave, and they are of Caucasian extraction.

* Deterioration of home and family -- this relates directly to the lack of the ability or willingness of the big corporations to pay wages that keep up with inflation and/or to provide what used to be ordinary benefits to workers (i.e. health insurance for the worker and dependents, pensions).

* Increased taxes to deal with social problems -- this may be true on a state or local level; on a national level the tax increases on the middle class fund two things: tax exemptions for the upper 1 per cent of income level and the wars in the middle east. The wars in the middle east are based on lies -- namely, that fighting over there will contain the threat away from us, rather than shipping our soldiery into the maw of a slaughterhouse simply to secure access to Iraqi oil fields, and that Saddam Hussein had anything at all to do with the attacks of September 11 2001.

* Craze for pleasure -- right. Turn off your TV. Abandon alcohol, tobacco and illicit drug use.
Stop paying your ISP.

* Increased funds for arms to defend see above

* Religious apostacy -- this is another clever cover for bigotry of the nastiest kind. "If you don't belong to my church you are going to hell, and to stop you from going to hell I am going to force you to convert to my church, lest I kill you."

This is all I'm going to post on this topic, except to add that our history since Ronald Reagan of being anti-infrastructure, anti public-education, anti-tax and pro-religion has led us farther down the road to national self-destruction than all the boogeymen the religious and political right could ever dream up, put together.
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Postby Alphacarina » Sun Jul 15, 2007 12:27 pm

Laredo wrote:Since this topic struck me as blatantly political, I'm going to make some political comments here
My apologies if we're not supposed to discuss anything remotely political here . . . . I'm a newbie and I didn't know - I'll be more careful in the future :MLAS

I generally shy away from 'political' discussions anyway, because everyone has their own agenda to put forward and little of what they say is based in fact

The "illegal immigrants are destroying America" rant is racist. It's also based on a falsehood, namely that the majority of illegal immigrants are poor, lazy, won't work, and come over the border from Mexico to suck the public teat. The majority are actually people who come here on work visas or tourist visas or student visas and never leave, and they are of Caucasian extraction

Just as I would imagine 95% of all Americans would agree, I have no problems with anyone here on a work or tourist visa - I think that's how most all of our ancestors came here and without them, most all of us would have been raised someplace else . . . . probably Poland in my case, beause that's where my group came from. I thought those you referred to were 'legal' immigrants . . . . doesn't the presence or absence of a visa pretty much draw that line? I'm all in favor of anyone here on any sort of visa

I think most 'illegal' immigrants are here without visas and I really don't even blame them. Our politcal system makes getting a visa of any sort very hard and time consuming, so folks who want to better the lives of their families sneak across the border without one - I would probably do the same if put in their situation. I think the vast majority of them are hardworking, making their own way and not 'sucking' anything as you so eloquently put it - They're just breaking the law by their presence

My big beef is with the legal Americans here who knowingly hire illegals. There are (unenforced) laws against doing so, but they would prefer to pay $5.00 to an illegal to get what they need done than pay $10.00 to any legal person and that's the root of the problem - If the illegals couldn't find work here, they wouldn't be coming. Very similar to our drug problem . . . . with no 'users' there would be no problem and fencing the border isn't the solution - To either problem

Anyone believing that illegal immigration is tearing apart our country is 'racist?' - Boy, is that out of left field or what? Not sure what 'race' we're supposedly against, but I guess it must be ALL of them, because it doesn't matter a lick to me what 'race' they are or where they came from . . . . the fact that they're here illegally is reason enough to me to be upset about the problem. I sure wouldn't be painting anyone against illegal immigration with the 'race brush' - It doesn't fit at all in my opinion

It's all across the front pages of our local paper at the present because an illegal immigrant just killed two of our local citizens. He was arrested on a DWI just a week or so before and the police (obviously not a racist bunch) didn't even look into his immigration status . . . . they just let him make bail and a week later we are mourning the loss of two of our citizens. I don't suppose he will be deported even now - We'll just pay to put him up for the next 40 or 50 years

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Postby Woody » Sun Jul 15, 2007 12:31 pm

Ask the indigenous native populations in the western hemisphere as advanced as these cultures were for thier times, illegal immigrant issues destroyed them literally from the gobal stage and history. So if we don't learn from the lessons of the past, we are destined to repeat this in the future, time and time again. I am not againist immigration, but gone are the days of my grandparents coming here and proud to be American first, but maintain thier cultural identitiy at home . Today it is in fashion to be from somewhere else and overlook the obvious reason they came here in the first place. Just like our fore fathers came here has been lost by polictical correctness of the situation at present and look the other way and lose our way of life like so many tolerant and advanced cilvlizations in the past. You don't have to be a student of history to see what is happening in this day in age
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Postby Arne » Sun Jul 15, 2007 1:32 pm

Well, let's see:

Parents want schools to raise children

Jobs are headed out of the country

We a closing up job shops and losing mechanical skills we may need some day to fight a real war

We depend on people we don't like, and who don't like us, for our energy needs

We can't keep illegal aliens out.

We let illegal aliens demonstrate while carrying another nation's flag and singing our national anthem in a foreign language.

We are fight a war for oil

Washington D.C. is out of touch with the voters

We get two choices in an election... bad and more bad

And lastly, though I could go on for pages, our budget is in the crapper, and foreign money is pulling out of funding our treasury to go some place safer:

http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

Oh, yes, we are in fine shape..... pointing out reality does not make me a racist...
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Postby Arne » Sun Jul 15, 2007 1:47 pm

Just got this in the mail.... kind of a philosophical message here, I'd say.

Sadly, you can't hear the music, but you can read the words.....

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I was sittin' in traffic
Listenin' to the radio
George Strait was singin'
"Seashores of Old Mexico"
It sounded so good
I got an idear
I'm gonna go there
Since they're all over here
The Lone Star State
Should be renamed "TEXICO"

So long, Texas.. Hello, Mexico
I'm gonna swim the Rio Grande at El Paso
I'm leavin' tonight
I ain't gonna pack
I'm only takin' the clothes on my back

So long Texas, Hello Mexico

I'll drive a rattletrap car
with no liability,
I'll demand equal rights
though I'm there . illegally
I'll protest in the streets
'Til they finally grant 'em,

Sing English words
to their National Anthem..

HEY! El Presidente
What's right for your people
Should be right for me

There's no controlling that tide that keeps rolling across the line.

This old Texas cowboy feels like my home state is no longer mine.

So long, Texas.. Hello, Mexico
I'm gonna swim the Rio Grande at El Paso
I'm leavin' tonight
I ain't gonna pack
I'm only takin' the clothes on my back

So long Texas, Hello Mexico

YEP! Turnabout's fair play
HECK! I already LOVE the food
AND TEQUILA!
I'm gonna fly that Lone Star flag
and Old Glory EVERY DAY
I'm gonna celebrate every Fourth of July
I'm gonna make them print them forms in English
just for ME!
I'm gonna marry me a pretty senorita and we're
gonna have free medical care and free
education for ALL our kids!
Heck! Playin' my ol' guitar's the only
OTHER skill I've GOT!
Hmm - I wonder if I'll see ol' George Strait
over there

Hey, Gringo! You're swimming the wrong way,
man!

Yeah, yeah! I know!

Hey, Amigo! Hey, Amigo! You got a
SEESTER????
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Postby doug hodder » Sun Jul 15, 2007 2:54 pm

Hey everyone...play nice now...we haven't had a big blow up in a while , at least since the global warming thread and there is no point in starting one now. No one is going to change any one elses mind. Thanks in advance...Doug
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Postby Laredo » Sun Jul 15, 2007 4:05 pm

Doug,
You're right.
My apologies to everyone else here.
I think I had better leave now.
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Postby Arne » Sun Jul 15, 2007 6:08 pm

I'm not trying to change anyone's mind, just stating some facts that annoy people....

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Like a lot of people, I have a job. I work, they pay me. I pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as they see fit. In order to get that paycheck, I am required to pass a random urine test, which I have no problem with. What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who don't have to pass a urine test.

Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare check, because I have to pass one to earn it for them? Please understand, I have no problem with helping people get back on their feet. I do, on the other hand, have a problem with helping someone sit on their butt and pay them to do drugs while I work.

Could you imagine how much money the state would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a public assistance check?
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Postby wolfix » Sun Jul 15, 2007 6:24 pm

Arne wrote:
Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare check, because I have to pass one to earn it for them?


This is something I have discussed with a individual who has some insight to the system.
Most welfare is set up to help children. And in many cases these children have parents who are irresponsible. If it was required that a urine test was needed to determine welfare, many parents would not pass. This would hurt the children.
Of course everyone will say they shouldn't do drugs then....... but that's the problem, we have already determined that the parents are irresponsible. It's a no win system...

And to everyone out there that has to take a urine test, you should look at your employer as one that is taking the rights of Americans away. A urine test is a assult on a individual rights. It is just one more step of government dependancy. And they all add up.
There are jobs that require a urine test.
Everyone that is older here needs to look a t the freedoms we had and the little government involvmnet we had when we were young. Compare that to now.
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Postby Kevin A » Sun Jul 15, 2007 6:24 pm

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Postby Arne » Sun Jul 15, 2007 6:45 pm

In the interest of my own safety, I do not want to be in Home Depot if a fork lift operator might be high, whether it be drugs or alcohol.

I also do not want to deal with a company who I depend on for anything that hires people who might use drugs....

My life is complicated enough without it getting screwed up even more by something that can be tested for...

For instance, I spent 30 minutes on the phone trying to straighten a problem out last week... the week before, 1.5 hours (2 phone calls).. at the very least I want to know I'm not dealing with someone taking drugs..

While the employee has rights, the consumer also has rights. And I am a big consumer.... and I feel I have the right to expect to deal with someone who respects my rights. and for me, my rights take precedence over theirs.

I will admit that when I drive, I never fight for my rights.. given the world we live in, that would just be plain dumb.
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Postby wolfix » Sun Jul 15, 2007 6:54 pm

Arne wrote:In the interest of my own safety, I do not want to be in Home Depot if a fork lift operator might be high, whether it be drugs or alcohol.


You are right. That's why I believe as a motorcycle rider I want to be protected against people over 55 that drive. We need protection. And drivers over 55 are dangerous. I have rights. Older drivers are as dangerous as people on drugs at Home Depot. Older drivers kill people regularly on the hiways. I have never heard of a an individual being hurt at Home Depot .

Where does it end? The thing is when you allow government into your lives, be prepared to have it work against you.
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Postby Jiminsav » Sun Jul 15, 2007 7:35 pm

ya know what..it don't matter if America fails, because when the country implodes, I'll own the piece of dirt I live on outright, because the mortgage company can kiss my butt if I don't have a dollar to pay them with, but I damn sure got some lead to make bullets with.. 8)
secondly, being in the land of cotton, i'll always have a pair of britches to wear, and some deer corn to eat.
thirdly, even if America falters and dies, so what?..ain't like the world is going to end, and I could stand a little anarchy in my life..*s*
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