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Postby Classic Finn » Wed Sep 26, 2007 4:26 pm

I know there are some real great photographers here.. and Id like to know how to go taking good photos at night...

I wanted to take photos of the lights and blinkers that I just installed on our tear.. if I dont use flash the pics dont look good at all as to show the lights being lit..here are the side marker lights.. actually lit.. :lol: :lol:

And gee they look good if I can only get some decent photos at night.. :cry: :cry: Back lights show up real bright but not with this photographers work... :lol: :lol:

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then when I use flash it looks like the photo was taken in daylight and the lights really dont show..

So what can I set the settings to so I can get some nice photos taken to bring out the working lighting?

I have a Digital Camera which is the Sony Digital Cyber Shot with 6 x zoom, macro and its 3.3mega pixels.. ok its an older camera already but its a good camera even though its not the most updated 7 or 8 mega pixels.

I tried this evening when it was pitch dark and I just wasnt happy with the pics..

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Postby Podunkfla » Wed Sep 26, 2007 5:35 pm

What you are after is an available light exposure with just enough fill flash to show the tear well and still have the lights show up. It can be kinda hard to do with point-n-shoot cameras with automatic flash. Although you can try covering the flash with thin white cloth to cut down the light some. Prolly the easiest way I know is to set up the shot with other lighting and experiment with how much light works best by moving the lights back until you get the shot you are looking for. Light dissipates to the square of the distance so moving the lights away works like: The lights at 20 feet are 1/4th as bright as they would be a 10 feet. Or you can just cheat like I do and shoot 2 exposures (with a tripod so they are the same view) one with flash and one without... and combine them in Photoshop.
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Postby 48Rob » Wed Sep 26, 2007 6:20 pm

Heikki,

Your point and shoot should have various exposure programs.
Look for "night scene", "dusk" a moon symbol, or something to indicate night time or darkness.
If not, look for a way to turn off the flash.
If you can turn it off, the camera will have to be able to adjust aperture and shutter speed to available light.
Remember though that night time photos require the shutter to be open a fair amount of time.
What this means is the camera should not be hand held, as it is impossible to hold it steady enough.
If it has a self timer, place it on something solid, and shoot away.
If it doesn't, use a bean bag, a bag of rice, or somthing else that will minimize human movement.

If all this fails, Brick's use of Photoshop isn't a bad idea either!

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Postby Classic Finn » Wed Sep 26, 2007 6:29 pm

48Rob wrote:Heikki,

Your point and shoot should have various exposure programs.
Look for "night scene", "dusk" a moon symbol, or something to indicate night time or darkness.
If not, look for a way to turn off the flash.
If you can turn it off, the camera will have to be able to adjust aperture and shutter speed to available light.
Remember though that night time photos require the shutter to be open a fair amount of time.
What this means is the camera should not be hand held, as it is impossible to hold it steady enough.
If it has a self timer, place it on something solid, and shoot away.
If it doesn't, use a bean bag, a bag of rice, or somthing else that will minimize human movement.

If all this fails, Brick's use of Photoshop isn't a bad idea either!

Rob


Hi Rob

It has different aperture settings... and the only setting I found and it is Indoor, Outdoor and Auto..

I do have a stand for it that I use at times.. about the self timer ...hmmm
I,ll check but I doubt it..

I,ll go and try it with the stand..

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Postby jdarkoregon » Wed Sep 26, 2007 7:34 pm

Brick & Rob gave it to you straight. I went to sony.com and was trying to look it up so I could tell you exactly how to get to it. Sony needed your exact model number, (you didn't give us that)

I think you have to go into the menu for your camera to find what Rob suggested, Find it, it's a good feature, On my Canon the symbol looks like a Star above a person,

What it does is flash and keep the shutter open for a while, It works great for fireworks and carnivals

Keep looking, you will find it,

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Postby caseydog » Wed Sep 26, 2007 8:05 pm

I don't know what yor camera will allow you to do, so I cant tell you exactly what to do.

In pitch dark, you are going to have to add light, whether you do it with a flash or with a "bulb" light source. I would avoid that, since any light source you would be small -- in a professional shoot, one would use huge light banks. A small flash or flod light will be too harsh.

If I were shooting my TD with the goal of seeing the TD, and still seeing the glow of the lights, I would do just what I did on the MX-5 photo attached below.

I set up my camera on a tripod, and got the car all set and ready to shoot, and then waited until the sun was setting. Then, with the car lights on, I started taking a shot every minute or two untill the sunlight was pretty much gone.

Then, I took the images into photoshop, found the exposure that best acheived what I wanted to acheive, and worked on it in Photoshop till I got it just right.

You can do the same thing, assuming your camera's "brain" doesn't take over and try to "lighten" the shot which will blow out the highlights in the photo.

If you know someone with a digital SLR, you will have a lot more control over your exposures with one of those.

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BTW, I mentioned a pro shoot using huge light banks. By waiting until the sun just droped below the horizon, I had the world's largest light bank at my disposal to shoot this car.

When the sun is above the horizon, IT is the light source, and although the sun is enormous, it is also a gazillion miles away, making it a small light source relative to us here on earth. You can easily block the sun from your view with your outstretched hand.

As a small light source, the sun is "harsh" lighting, that creates glaring highlights and hard shodows. The sky, on the otherhand, provides very soft light as it reflects and diffuses the suns light.

And as the sun goes lower beneath the horizon, it is like having a dimmer on your huge light bank, and at some moment, the light from the sky will be in perfect balance with the glow of your TD lights, and at that moment, you have your shot.

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Postby Podunkfla » Wed Sep 26, 2007 9:45 pm

Caseydog... Nice shot. Yep, that's a good idea about shooting at twilight. I should have mentioned it. You do get kind of a warm lighting like yours; but I like that anyway. My favorite time to shoot outdoors is always very early and very late. Just love the quality of light and, of course, it was never beyond the contrast range of the film, back in my film days. I had also thought of trying to explain how to do a night shot with the shutter locked open and "paint with light"...But that seemed too complex to mention for his shots... and I don't even know if his camera has a "bulb" setting anyhoo?
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Postby caseydog » Wed Sep 26, 2007 10:03 pm

Podunkfla wrote:Caseydog... Nice shot. Yep, that's a good idea about shooting at twilight. I should have mentioned it. You do get kind of a warm lighting like yours; but I like that anyway. My favorite time to shoot outdoors is always very early and very late. Just love the quality of light and, of course, it was never beyond the contrast range of the film, back in my film days. I had also thought of trying to explain how to do a night shot with the shutter locked open and "paint with light"...But that seemed too complex to mention for his shots... and I don't even know if his camera has a "bulb" setting anyhoo?


Yeah, I am somewaht familiar with the "painting" technique, but never actually did it, that I can recal.. I think architectural photographers would do that kind of stuf, didn't they?

Since my specialty is automotive, I do a lot of shooting in twilight hour -- AKA the "golden hour" for photography.

I like early morning light for portraits, but I very rarely shoot people these days, so I sleep in instead. :lol:

I graduated college in 1983, long before digital cameras and photoshop. Man, do I love photoshop. No long hours in a darkroom full of nasty chemicals. Plus, with the computer and photoshop, if you can dream it, you can probably figure out a way to do it. Endless possibilities.

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Postby Podunkfla » Wed Sep 26, 2007 10:52 pm

caseydog wrote:
Podunkfla wrote: Yeah, I am somewaht familiar with the "painting" technique, but never actually did it, that I can recal.. I think architectural photographers would do that kind of stuf, didn't they?

Since my specialty is automotive, I do a lot of shooting in twilight hour -- AKA the "golden hour" for photography.

I like early morning light for portraits, but I very rarely shoot people these days, so I sleep in instead. :lol:

I graduated college in 1983, long before digital cameras and photoshop. Man, do I love photoshop. No long hours in a darkroom full of nasty chemicals. Plus, with the computer and photoshop, if you can dream it, you can probably figure out a way to do it. Endless possibilities.

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Yup... Is mostly used for architectural work. I used to be the photographer for the mayors office & PR dept. in Jacksonville. I got all kinds of weird assignments. I loved doing aerial work from the little chopper... we'd take the doors off and I'd stand on the landing rails just held in by the harness that had an inertia reel and would let you stretch it pretty far out. Freehand stuff with an old "Blad". The hardest one I ever had to "paint" was the Gator Bowl with a Hassleblad Superwide sitting up in the press box on a remote set to bulb. I walked around the whole thing for about half an hour painting with a big old Stroboflash IV monster. It took three tries to get a good shot. I had a second camera with polaroid film to give me a guide of how even I was painting. I finally got a so called "impossible shot" that way. Ahhh... those were the days. I miss doing that kind of crazy stuff... Like riding with Rescue when they picked up a 400 pound guy that was all shot up as they tried to save his life (they didn't).


Boy, I think we hijacked Heikki's thread? Well, maybe this is sorta relavant. ;)
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Postby jeepr » Fri Sep 28, 2007 9:06 am

Crime scene photograpy also use "paint with light."

Classic Fin, Most digital cameras handle low light OK for our applications. Somewhere there is a way to turn off your flash. Turn it off and put the camera on a tripod. The tip of using the self timer was pretty good, you want as little movement of the camera as possible. Pitch black probably won't work out how you want, but low light should.

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Postby Classic Finn » Fri Sep 28, 2007 6:25 pm

I know how to turn off the flash on this camera but .. still the same looking photos as the one above on this thread..

Its been raining here so I,ll try the stand or pedestal asap and play with the aperture settings more.. maybe I can get a photo yet that can be shown... :cry: :cry:

I dont give up .... :) :D 8) 8)

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Postby Classic Finn » Fri Sep 28, 2007 6:29 pm

jdarkoregon wrote:Brick & Rob gave it to you straight. I went to sony.com and was trying to look it up so I could tell you exactly how to get to it. Sony needed your exact model number, (you didn't give us that)

I think you have to go into the menu for your camera to find what Rob suggested, Find it, it's a good feature, On my Canon the symbol looks like a Star above a person,

What it does is flash and keep the shutter open for a while, It works great for fireworks and carnivals

Keep looking, you will find it,

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Hi John ...sorry I only gave you the name of the camera ..here is the Model number..

Cyber Shot 3.3 Digital Still Camera DSC - S75 As you can see from the pixels its already old.. Im in hopes Santa will bring me an 8 pixel Canon..
Was it IXUS.

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Postby Classic Finn » Fri Sep 28, 2007 6:32 pm

Brick and CaseyDog

I sure enjoy reading about your photography and programs ... And I know both Brick and Caseydog are good in what they do... :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

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Postby caseydog » Fri Sep 28, 2007 9:38 pm

Heikki, Sony tends to try to make cameras "foolproof" which means the cameras sometimes "think" too much. You may have a hard time getting it to do what you want, because it doesn't approve of what you are trying to do. Does that make any sense?

I wish I knew more about your camera, so I could tell you what to do. I know what I would do with my own camera, but that doesn't help you any. Surely there is a local camera shop or camera club where you can find someone who will be happy to help out. Camera nerds like me are always happy to help, and there have to be a few of us in your neck of the woods.

Worse case, put your camera on a tripod, and take a photo of your TD at dusk. Then, DON'T MOVE ANYTHING, and take a shot at night for the lights. Either me or Brick can probably combine the shots in photoshop.

Brick probably has faster turnaround, since I am always running around the country without notice. Bet you can't guess why I'm divorced. :lol:

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Postby asianflava » Fri Sep 28, 2007 9:52 pm

Do you have the model number of your camera? I was gonna look it up on Stevesdigicams to see what the controls are like.
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